Timerider: The Adventure of Lyle Swann

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[00:00:40] Hello listeners, welcome to Movie Oubliette episode 149, the continental traversing podcast with me

[00:00:48] Dan surrounded by towers of cardboard boxes in Melbourne Australia.

[00:00:53] And me Conrad buying laser discs again in Cambridge UK.

[00:00:58] Wow, in this podcast we discuss lesser talked about genre films, horror sci-fi and fantasy

[00:01:06] because accidentally travelling back in time is what we dream about every night.

[00:01:14] We do.

[00:01:16] I expect you're wanting to fast forward in time to when you're

[00:01:19] safely in your new home and you don't have boxes everywhere.

[00:01:22] Yeah yeah yeah I mean the boxes are increasing as well.

[00:01:26] Still not fully packed even though I think it's like three or four days away we get the keys

[00:01:33] but you know just pushing through packing those boxes.

[00:01:39] But yeah there's a few things I can't pack yet as well, I need them right now.

[00:01:43] Yeah.

[00:01:45] Pack them in the last minute or maybe take them on the day that we get the keys so yeah.

[00:01:51] Yeah.

[00:01:52] It's fun.

[00:01:53] It is yeah I remember my studio was the last thing to pack up and I think most of that came

[00:01:58] in my car because I don't know it's so precious.

[00:02:01] Oh yeah definitely yeah so laser discs wow.

[00:02:05] Yeah I know I blame Oliver Harper.

[00:02:10] I spent so much time binging his videos in preparation for his guest appearance on our last

[00:02:15] episode that I saw lots of his laser disc collection roundups and so yeah I've got

[00:02:24] into laser discs again and I managed to find a way of plugging my laser disc player into my

[00:02:29] modern TV and I don't know there's just something about watching a 90s movie what

[00:02:36] I'm doing is buying these eBay or Facebook marketplace job lots of laser discs and it's

[00:02:44] always got like some 90s movie on it that I haven't seen in ages or I've never seen

[00:02:49] at all so I'm watching 90s movies in like vintage soft blurry laser disc with

[00:02:59] interference and stuff it's great it feels right somehow.

[00:03:03] Yeah so laser disc is digital right?

[00:03:07] No the video is analog.

[00:03:09] Okay.

[00:03:09] But it's read by a laser.

[00:03:11] Right.

[00:03:12] So it's a bit of a weird mix but it's basically like a higher grade VHS but with more lines

[00:03:22] vertical lines so it's better video quality but it's still actually analog.

[00:03:29] Right so it's still less than DVD?

[00:03:33] It is yeah.

[00:03:35] Interesting.

[00:03:36] Yeah they did start to have digital sound at one point later on in their career so yeah it's

[00:03:43] lots of fun I don't know I kind of subscribe to Hbomberguy the guy that on YouTube who does this

[00:03:50] he did this fantastic video essay about how the VHS visual aesthetic was key to the success or

[00:03:59] the feel of these movies and so watching 90s movies on laser disc somehow it feels like a very

[00:04:06] authentic viewing experience.

[00:04:08] Yes.

[00:04:09] It feels right so yeah I watched Air Force 1 the other day get off my plane.

[00:04:15] I love that movie that was like one of my favorite movies as a teenager I'm pretty sure

[00:04:20] I saw it in theaters.

[00:04:22] Yeah yeah I think I did too and the CGI doesn't look bad at all on laser disc.

[00:04:27] Oh yeah yeah yeah.

[00:04:30] All right well meanwhile have our listeners been chatting to us what have they been talking about?

[00:04:37] Well Chazilla got in touch because he had some questions about the shadow and I found them kind

[00:04:44] of mind-blowing because they hadn't occurred to me when I was watching him.

[00:04:48] He said if Khan had an invisible hideout that whole time why did he ship himself to the

[00:04:54] museum in a sarcophagus?

[00:04:57] How did he know so much about modern life?

[00:05:00] Other than an elaborate plan to drown the shadow what was the purpose of that giant sphere

[00:05:07] and who maintained and installed all those miles of message tubes?

[00:05:11] Yeah I mean yes it's a lot of questions that you just accept in cinema.

[00:05:20] I mean I wasn't even sure where where the Shion Khan was was he millennia old?

[00:05:26] I mean was he asleep in the sarcophagus for like centuries or was he living and just.

[00:05:34] I don't know.

[00:05:35] Accustomed to modern times but still chose to dress up like Genghis Khan for some reason.

[00:05:42] I have no idea and then he has this skyscraping hotel that he's confused everybody

[00:05:47] into thinking isn't there as his hideout this whole time.

[00:05:50] How long has he been there?

[00:05:52] Why did he mail himself to a museum in a sarcophagus if he's been there the whole time?

[00:05:57] I'm confused.

[00:05:59] It doesn't make any sense at all.

[00:06:00] Yeah knowing that the building didn't just appear there when he appeared.

[00:06:06] No he's been there the whole time.

[00:06:09] It's a beauty of cinema.

[00:06:11] Indeed and we heard from Serge of Cold Crash Pictures.

[00:06:15] Hello Serge.

[00:06:17] Yeah we've got a verdict from him again thank goodness.

[00:06:21] Really felt the loss of it on The Watcher in the Woods.

[00:06:25] Serge says I think the shadow is less than the sum of its parts.

[00:06:29] There's clearly a lot of talent on display here but it's just too much of what nobody asked

[00:06:36] for.

[00:06:36] A long forgotten Batman precursor with a lot of accidental camp and enough mystic orientalism

[00:06:44] to raise eyebrows even in 1994.

[00:06:47] He doesn't even speak Chinese had me cackling but not for any reason the filmmakers intended

[00:06:54] and by taking place in a sort of alternate history New York it kills any chance of

[00:06:59] connecting with a modern audience.

[00:07:01] It's a curious artefact of history not a forgotten classic.

[00:07:05] I'd probably throw it back into the movie Obliette but it's got enough mid-90s

[00:07:09] weirdness a la Le Phantom that I respect anyone who wishes it were more widely known.

[00:07:17] Interesting.

[00:07:19] So I think he was sort of on my side of the fence.

[00:07:21] I was sort of ambivalent but not terribly impressed.

[00:07:25] I think he feels the same way.

[00:07:31] Well thanks for getting in touch both of you and please do get in touch if you have any

[00:07:35] thoughts on the films we've been watching.

[00:07:37] Ah yes yes please.

[00:07:39] Okay Conrad let's move on to the film today what are we doing?

[00:07:44] Wow let me just amble on over to the movie Obliette and find out.

[00:07:52] I appear to be in a desert valley of some kind.

[00:07:56] Yeah but what time?

[00:07:58] Oh I'm being shot at.

[00:08:00] Oh no it's Wild West here.

[00:08:04] I can see a motorbike.

[00:08:05] What's it doing in the Wild West?

[00:08:07] I've no idea.

[00:08:09] It appears to have an A track in the front of the handlebars.

[00:08:13] And a blu ray player.

[00:08:15] There's a disc inside.

[00:08:16] Right I'm coming back.

[00:08:19] Hey I want that machine.

[00:08:21] Oh wow we're always at risk inside the Obliette these days.

[00:08:26] It's terrible.

[00:08:27] Yeah it's dangerous.

[00:08:29] Conrad what do you have?

[00:08:31] So I have with me the 1982 science fiction western film Time Rider The Adventure of Lyle

[00:08:41] Swann directed by William Deer written by Michael Nesmith of The Monkeys and William

[00:08:50] Deer produced by William Deer and Michael Nesmith with music by Michael Nesmith.

[00:08:56] He may have done the sandwiches as well I didn't check.

[00:08:59] A man of many talents.

[00:09:01] Indeed and starring Fred Ward, Peter Coyote, Belinda Bauer, Ed Lauter, Tracy Walter, LQ

[00:09:10] Jones, Richard Mase and Chris Mulkey.

[00:09:14] And I believe this is a Patrons Choice movie.

[00:09:17] It is yes nominated by long-time listener James Salzburg.

[00:09:21] Congratulations James.

[00:09:23] Thanks James for this one.

[00:09:25] So what happens in this?

[00:09:27] Well in 1982 wheelie popping motocross racer Lyle Swann renowned for his excellence as a rider

[00:09:35] and his inability to finish a course gets lost during his latest desert race and strays into

[00:09:42] the path of a vaguely sinister corporations time travel experiment.

[00:09:46] Zapped into the year 1877 Swann remains perpetually confused about his predicament,

[00:09:54] accidentally frightens a Mexican man to death with a flashlight and attracts the unwanted

[00:10:00] attention of the diabolical bandit Porter Reese who covets Lyle's magical mechanical horse.

[00:10:07] Lyle is given sanctuary by the stunning and fiercely independent Claire Senior who first

[00:10:14] admired him while the two were coincidentally skinny dipping in the same lake.

[00:10:20] The Baja California peninsula is a small place apparently.

[00:10:25] After a touching meet-cute in which Claire rapes Lyle at gunpoint,

[00:10:31] Reese and his merry band kidnap Claire and steal Lyle's bike.

[00:10:38] Will Lyle be able to reclaim his sweet ride and well his sweet ride with the aid of some

[00:10:45] US marshals? Will he ever figure out he's in the past and get back to the future?

[00:10:51] And does that mysterious necklace he inherited from his great-grandmother have any paradoxical

[00:10:58] significance? Find out after the break. Yes, alright. Thanks again James for this one.

[00:11:06] Let's get into it.

[00:11:07] And we're back to talk about Lyle Swan's adventure,

[00:11:28] Time Rider. I think this is a double blind isn't it Dan?

[00:11:31] Mm-hmm it is yeah never heard of this.

[00:11:39] No I'd never heard of this until James nominated it and I watched it on YouTube which

[00:11:45] is the only place I could find it and yeah it's not there anymore it's gone.

[00:11:50] Yeah I know because I literally was watching it the other day and then I only got halfway

[00:11:56] through and then the next day I went to go back and watch it the rest of it was gone

[00:12:01] completely gone I thought I maybe I was typing in the wrong words when I was searching for

[00:12:06] it but then I went through my history yeah it's gone erased from YouTube.

[00:12:11] Yeah so I don't know whether us sharing the link to it for our patrons

[00:12:15] maybe attracted too much traffic but yeah that movie's gone.

[00:12:20] It's very difficult to come by now unfortunately it was released on DVD

[00:12:26] although some scenes were cut from it and then eventually Shout Factory put out a blu-ray

[00:12:31] with the director's commentary on there and some interviews which is great but

[00:12:36] it's out of print now and quite expensive on the secondary market so hard to come by.

[00:12:41] Bit of an oddity from 1982.

[00:12:44] Yeah yeah so it's directed by William Deer who I'm not familiar with he directed Harry

[00:12:50] and the Hendersons which I haven't seen because I don't know it always looked a bit goofy and

[00:12:56] silly but he also directed Angels in an Outfield which is quite beloved so.

[00:13:02] Yeah I haven't seen that one because yeah not a sports person but I watched Harry and the

[00:13:07] Hendersons as it was called or when it was called Bigfoot in the Hendersons of the UK just

[00:13:11] in case we missed the point. Oh right yeah okay they were worried that we wouldn't get what

[00:13:16] it was about. Oh okay yeah right. Yeah William Deer and Michael Nesmith how much do you know

[00:13:23] about him other than he was in The Monkees? I didn't even know he was in The Monkees

[00:13:28] because The Monkees was a 60s show wasn't it I mean they did play repeats of it on TV along

[00:13:34] with the original Brady Bunch but yeah I didn't really watch The Monkees it was a bit silly a

[00:13:41] bit goofy I didn't even realise that initially they were a band for the show they were a

[00:13:48] fictional band and then because of the success of the songs from the show they became a

[00:13:55] touring band I guess yeah and with with Michael Nesmith being one of the members but yeah I was

[00:14:01] surprised when I was looking at his sort of film history it's like why is he in all these

[00:14:06] Monkees movies? Yeah so he I think was sort of regarded as one of the most musically

[00:14:14] talented members he contributed I think the majority of the songs that they actually

[00:14:20] contributed to and I remember there was a bit of a stink at the time that they didn't play their

[00:14:26] own instruments right on their songs. I mean they were a fictional band to begin with

[00:14:34] what do you expect? Well exactly and of course nobody would bat an eyelid now at the idea that

[00:14:39] stars pretty packaged and all of their songs are written and produced and performed by somebody

[00:14:45] else I mean it's yeah not really a scandal now but it was a bit of a scandal back then

[00:14:50] compared to the Beatles. Yeah I mean I guess when you consider older movies like 40s 50s stuff

[00:14:57] even like Singing in the Rain they are so talented all those actors in those movies

[00:15:03] because they're dancing, singing, acting, everything and no body doubles or other you know

[00:15:11] voice dubbing or anything they're doing everything. Yeah you used to have to have

[00:15:16] talent now you're just an auto-tuned twig. Yeah exactly. But yeah Michael Nesmith after the

[00:15:25] Monkees was quite an ingenious experimental guy I mean he had a solo career but had one or two

[00:15:32] hits and he was really fascinated by the idea of music videos pop clips he called them

[00:15:39] and as a result ended up accidentally creating MTV and while he was doing that one of the

[00:15:45] things he was looking at was long form narratives with music on and I think Time

[00:15:51] Rider kind of emerged from that he did three movies around about this time and Time Rider

[00:15:57] I think is the first of his three movies that he attempted to do so pretty independent as a

[00:16:04] artist and filmmaker. Right right right I mean we'll get into music later though the movie

[00:16:10] itself it is a time travel movie and it's a time travel movie going back into the past

[00:16:16] which is not really that popular these days but back in the 80s and 90s a lot of movies

[00:16:23] going back into the past. Yeah. Like I think of like Time Bandits and like Bill and Ted's

[00:16:29] Excellent Adventure and Back to the Future 3 is one that I mean very similar to this

[00:16:36] because they do go back to the Wild West but what's quite different about this movie is

[00:16:43] the character Lyle Swan that does get transported back in time never realises he's back in time.

[00:16:51] No he just thinks everybody's really crazy. Yeah he just he asked them are you guys part

[00:16:57] of a cult like why do you dress like this he doesn't connect the dots whatsoever I guess

[00:17:04] he never sees like a newspaper or something that shows the date or he never you know no one's

[00:17:11] going to be telling him the date you know what are you talking about it's 1877 like no one does

[00:17:17] that. No. In real life so I get it but it's funny that it's not done for laughs like it's

[00:17:24] not like a comedy of eras you know with this like a Steve Martin movie where he's gone back

[00:17:29] in time but he doesn't realise and it's funny there's no funny in this it's just Lyle being

[00:17:36] really not that clued on to what's going on. No no and that's a good point I mean there are

[00:17:43] a couple of things here one is that it doesn't really maximise on its comedic situation it's

[00:17:48] sort of a fish out of water comedy but it's not really tightly written or making the most

[00:17:54] out of that and creating lots of situations where that could be funny and pay off it just sort of

[00:18:00] ambles around this movie it's a very slow paced sort of relaxed type of movie yeah which meant

[00:18:07] that it had difficulty holding my attention if I'm honest especially lengthy POV shots of him

[00:18:15] riding through deserts with a Michael Nesmith track on the soundtrack but you know it's

[00:18:20] sort of like well because I feel like with most movies where they get transported back in time

[00:18:27] the whole objective of the character is to get back to the time that they came from

[00:18:33] like back to all the back to the future movies like it's always going back to their time

[00:18:40] which he never knows he's not in his time so he's not trying to go back he just gets I

[00:18:47] mean spoilers here he gets saved at the end and he doesn't even know he's getting

[00:18:51] saved which is bizarre it's a bizarre concept I've never seen a time travel movie where they

[00:18:58] don't even realise they've travelled in time it's quite insane it is yeah and it speaks to

[00:19:08] how they're playing the central character of Lyle Swan and I love the fact that it's the

[00:19:13] adventure of Lyle Swan so it's not like the adventures of whatever across the eighth dimension

[00:19:20] this is the only one he's going to have the one adventure and he doesn't even know it happened

[00:19:26] and Fred Ward is perfect for this we lost him recently sadly I mostly know him from Tremors

[00:19:33] which yet again is just this lovely combination of a down-to-earth fairly innocent guy

[00:19:41] you know he's fairly simple but also very very capable and heroic and traditionally masculine

[00:19:48] in a sort of way quite brawny so it's an odd combination that Fred Ward seems to be able to

[00:19:53] pull off in his characters and again it's in the desert again so I had a lot of Tremors

[00:19:59] flashbacks watching him riding about in the desert here so yeah he's playing this character

[00:20:04] that is just not quite clued in and he in terms of the old hero's journey he's not really

[00:20:09] on it somebody else might be possibly Claire yeah but not him yeah I mean comparing it to

[00:20:16] Jabberwocky which we've done recently where he's not really trying to save the day either like

[00:20:23] Lyle is just trying to figure out what the hell is going on without really figuring it out

[00:20:30] and and yeah he gets he gets pretty much captured by Claire and forced to have sex with

[00:20:36] it's a strange scene like she's just met him and she's like take off your clothes at gunpoint

[00:20:42] and then next scene six what yes what is this bizarre um and and yeah he's he's kind of a

[00:20:51] coward as well as soon as the bullets start flying he's he's trying to get away I mean

[00:20:56] as you would if you were a normal person you're not used to you know yeah people

[00:21:02] shooting at you because it's the wild west and that's what they do and and he's kind of not

[00:21:08] really that useful unless he's got his bike without the bike completely useless on a horse

[00:21:15] completely useless yeah I think he said something about these horses need handlebars or something

[00:21:22] which is kind of funny but yeah he doesn't really do a lot when he's not on a bike no

[00:21:28] he's got that one thing you know it reminded me an awful lot of the character Jack Burton

[00:21:33] that Kurt Russell plays in Big Trouble in Little China oh yeah where the whole point of that

[00:21:38] character is that the camera is pointed at the wrong person right the hero of that movie is the

[00:21:44] Asian guy that stood next to him that knows everything knows what he's doing has an objective

[00:21:49] to rescue his fiancee yeah but the camera is trained on Jack Burton and he's just utterly

[00:21:56] clueless as to what's going on everything he does is a disaster but he's very good at catching

[00:22:02] something and throwing it back and that proves pivotal at the end of the movie so I think

[00:22:07] this is sort of the same it's sort of the camera is trained on this on the wrong person

[00:22:12] right yeah yeah but I don't know who the right person is really we don't have an

[00:22:17] alternative protagonist other than Claire I feel kind of clear as I feel like she is kind

[00:22:24] of the badass in this movie like she's very capable with a gun and on a horse and just being

[00:22:32] quite heroic and in most most cases I mean she does get kidnapped by the gang of misfits at one

[00:22:39] point she does yeah and and she does get saved by Lau so there's that one heroic scene where

[00:22:45] Lau does save her there is but the thing I love about that is I kind of feel like she has

[00:22:50] that situation handled anyway that even though she's tied up she'll probably figure out how

[00:22:55] to get out of it yeah because when Lyle bursts through the door in his motorbike she laughs at

[00:23:01] him yeah she thinks it's funny and I don't think it's relief that Belinda Bauer is playing

[00:23:07] in that scene I think she's laughing at him I think she thinks it's silly yeah sure sure

[00:23:13] yeah I mean comparing it to Big Trouble Little China I do feel like the main character in that

[00:23:18] is funny yeah whereas I don't know whether Lyle is that funny like they could have really kind of

[00:23:25] leaned into the silliness and and the fact that he just doesn't know that he's back in time

[00:23:31] and because he doesn't know he's back in time as well he's not using his technology towards

[00:23:37] the advantage as well no that's true there's so many of the scenes where people are freaked out

[00:23:42] accidentally by him because he's you know thrown a flare or a glow stick

[00:23:50] yeah or piping his eight-track into his helmet that has night vision I suppose the night

[00:23:55] vision is one area where he uses technology to his advantage well one scene yeah one scene

[00:24:01] yeah yeah yeah I mean for a sci-fi western there's not a lot of sci-fi no about from

[00:24:07] the time travel obviously yeah which is pretty much one shot and that's it yeah

[00:24:21] the setting is pretty amazing I mean despite the long drawn out scenes of him riding against

[00:24:27] another backdrop or Mexico which is interesting like it wasn't you know Texas or Arizona was

[00:24:34] actually a different country it wasn't even America so um I liked that setting but they

[00:24:40] didn't really utilize the setting with Mexican characters everyone's American for some reason

[00:24:46] yeah or they're in the background or they die when you point a flashlight at them he has

[00:24:51] one scene where I think he's surrounded by non-english speakers yeah which freaks him out

[00:24:57] and then Claire arrives and saves the day no they don't make best use of it at all yeah

[00:25:02] I mean I kind of wanted more to main characters to be Mexican I mean I don't

[00:25:08] it's not like I wanted the bad guys to be Mexican I don't want that sort of like stereotype

[00:25:13] of like the bad guy is non-white and the good guy's white yeah at least they didn't do that

[00:25:18] but um yeah I mean there was a certain other things I liked about the movie um I like the

[00:25:25] introduction of Lyle when he first arrives and he's just on his motorbike with his lights

[00:25:32] they've kind of almost made it look like a UFO like in the distance like the sound of the

[00:25:37] bike is kind of weird and um we've got these like Mexican locals just around the campfire so

[00:25:43] that I kind of like that but then again yeah they didn't really utilize his I mean apart

[00:25:48] from him everyone thinking he's a ghost at one point and being incredibly uh frightened by his

[00:25:56] bike I did like the reactions the the people were having to like technology you know that was

[00:26:04] that was kind of fun yeah it is and I love the fact that he's dressed in the most vibrant red

[00:26:10] and there's no red anywhere else in the movie apart from blood it's just him so they call

[00:26:15] him El Diablo they think he's sort of a supernatural figure of some kind yeah but again

[00:26:21] it doesn't pay off in any particular way yeah because if he knew he was in the past then

[00:26:27] he would use that against the the sort of enemies but he doesn't know that so he's

[00:26:34] no yeah he's just kind of riding around somehow not dying yes magically because

[00:26:41] nobody can shoot straight no one can shoot anything they shoot at his bike and I'm

[00:26:46] surprised that doesn't give flat tires or blow up no no one can hit anything no I think you

[00:26:53] hear one person in the background saying you've got an arrow in it I think oh yeah that's right

[00:26:59] where did that come from I don't know I don't know who did that they were all firing at it

[00:27:04] and somehow there's an arrow in the mix that was the thing in terms of it being funny I

[00:27:09] think some of the ancillary characters were actually funny yeah the band it's a Peter Coyote

[00:27:14] is sort of suitably villainous dressed in black and yucking up he at the same year was

[00:27:20] in ET of course as keys government official that was looking for ET but turned out to be a nice guy

[00:27:28] but in this one he's really hamming it up as a mustachio twirling villain yeah the ones I really

[00:27:34] like are his two lackeys yeah applied by Richard Mesa and Tracy Walter so Claude and Carl Dorsett

[00:27:42] the Dorsett brothers they're quite funny yeah it's kind of that that classic setup where you

[00:27:47] have the big bad villain is just evil and his two sort of accomplices they're kind of like

[00:27:54] tagging along but they're not really bad guys they're kind of like oh we should probably bury

[00:28:00] that guy we just killed you know like they're they're not really doing bad things but they

[00:28:06] just happen to be you know lumped in with with the big villain yeah so they're kind of

[00:28:11] clumsy and bumbling and you know one of them gets his nose shot off by clear which is kind

[00:28:17] of a strange scene as well he's got no nose for the rest of the movie yeah he kind of looks

[00:28:26] like Jack Nicholson in Chinatown with this baggage across his face yeah I don't know

[00:28:33] it's a peculiar little oddity of a movie that doesn't quite pull all of its elements

[00:28:39] together it's just kind of rambling along and having a good time where it can yeah I was also

[00:28:44] surprised by the amount of death as well because a lot of people get shot the mexican

[00:28:51] at the start just has a heart attack I guess and at one point someone sees I think someone

[00:28:57] gets his head decapitated with a garrote and there's blood spurting it's just wow I didn't

[00:29:04] expect that no and yeah and of course the reese character comes to a rather sticky end

[00:29:11] that we might talk about in the movie let's talk about it later yeah I think we should definitely

[00:29:16] get into that yeah and I think one of the Dorset brothers does get killed doesn't he

[00:29:20] is it Carl or Claude uh Carl gets killed yeah so yeah it's a surprising amount of death

[00:29:26] doesn't Padre Quinn die as well I think so and then two marshals get killed as well

[00:29:32] it gets shot in the back with a shotgun it's brutal it is yeah it's pretty nasty and then

[00:29:38] you've got the comedy moment of them stripping the body of that other character that he shoots

[00:29:42] in the back as well oh no he shoots that guy in the front whilst distracting him with silk

[00:29:47] with the silky that's right yeah but they strip the body of clothes because they're

[00:29:52] doing a bit of a fashion show with the clothes yes between them the Dorset brothers

[00:29:57] yeah no it's so some of it is surprisingly sort of mercenary and nasty but overall the

[00:30:04] movie is kind of amiable yeah I mean I do think there's a lot of padding there's a lot of stuff

[00:30:10] where they totally could have condensed it a lot this movie could have easily just been an

[00:30:16] hour episode a tv episode of I don't know Twilight Zone or something it didn't really need

[00:30:23] to be that long no the first sort of 40 minutes I think he doesn't talk to a single character

[00:30:29] until the 40 minute mark right yeah there's a lot of great scenery but in terms of like plot

[00:30:37] it's not a lot no and as you say with a character that doesn't have the goal of

[00:30:42] getting back to the future there's no narrative drive either yeah I mean he does want to rescue

[00:30:48] Claire he does yeah which gives him an objective for the finale but other than that yeah as I say

[00:30:55] it's kind of amiable and aimless yeah sort of like its main character I was also confused by

[00:31:01] the time travel aspect as well because at the end they time travel a whole helicopter

[00:31:07] back in time I didn't know they could do that no and like the repercussions of that as well

[00:31:13] so like what if they couldn't get back they don't have changed history forever by putting a very

[00:31:20] very modern piece of technology back in time I mean I guess the motorbike's still back in time

[00:31:28] right the wreckage of the motorbike yeah because it got destroyed I know it's not really made

[00:31:33] clear the movie's not really interested in hardware no or science fiction that much it's

[00:31:39] just a device to get the character in this situation into a western it's mainly a western

[00:31:46] it's yeah with time travel I mean it does so much remind me of back to the future 3 which

[00:31:52] came out like eight years after this movie I think in 1990 yeah because they did two and

[00:32:00] three back-to-back didn't they so one is 89 and one is 1990 yeah so it's quite eerily

[00:32:07] similar in terms of just yeah going back to the wild west and for it to be mainly a western

[00:32:14] but yeah the back to the future three it's a little bit more interesting I think with the

[00:32:18] characters I think so and also it almost has a vehicle as a time machine well certainly I mean

[00:32:25] the mechanism for him being shot back in time is some sort of laser thing that he rides into

[00:32:30] yes but a character rides back into the past on a tricked out vehicle yeah and then back

[00:32:36] to the future comes out in 1985 so you do wonder whether this not terribly popular film

[00:32:44] may have influenced films that came afterwards yeah that's right that's right one thing I

[00:32:52] do have to bring up is uh the paradox that you alluded to so essentially Lyle Swan is his own

[00:33:03] great grandfather yes it's like an incest paradox what's going on here yes and it's a very

[00:33:11] popular trope in time travel movies yeah as soon as he showed off his necklace in bed and said

[00:33:18] I got this from my great grandmother she got it from a mysterious man who disappeared or something

[00:33:23] yeah I just thought all right okay yeah yeah which also makes the necklace like where did

[00:33:29] the necklace come from yeah if he got it from his grandmother and his grandmother stole it from him

[00:33:37] where did it originate from that's a trope as well in these movies yeah I mean I did actually

[00:33:43] think there was going to be some sort of like bullet payoff with the necklace as well because

[00:33:47] it looks like a bullet has hit it yes so I thought oh yes we've got we're gonna have one

[00:33:53] of those scenes where last one jumps in front of a bullet to save Claire and it hits the

[00:34:00] necklace and then he's saved because of the necklace but we never see that that doesn't happen

[00:34:04] no and they also say something about my great grandmother was like the captain of some industry

[00:34:11] or another but nobody knows what it was because it was this big secret or something

[00:34:15] and then that does that pay off I don't think it does no you never hear anything again no did

[00:34:20] she create the time travel thing is it her that does that maybe oh I don't I don't know but yeah

[00:34:27] the whole yeah that paradox with him being his own great grandfather it's weird I know I don't

[00:34:34] know what purpose it serves really other than it being a twist yeah at the end of the movie

[00:34:39] yeah yeah it's not really because I don't know we've seen this so many times before

[00:34:44] yes yes yes now it's time for random trivia okay Conrad what piece of trivia did you accidentally

[00:34:54] find from the past today well all the way back from 1982 I discovered that somebody called John

[00:35:04] Hately performed all of the bike stunts in this movie as he did on the short-lived

[00:35:11] street hawk tv series oh we've also seen him in inner space and he did stunts in speed

[00:35:20] and iron man 2 and johnny depp's lone ranger so his career has spanned many decades wow and

[00:35:27] he appears in robo cop 2 as a character called purse snatcher so all right I'm guessing

[00:35:35] he gets caught by robo cop uh Belinda Bauer was in robo cop 2 right who played clear in this movie

[00:35:41] yeah and we've bumped into Belinda in winter kills she was a vet right yeah that movie we did

[00:35:48] with Jacob Gentry Gentry yeah yeah so in the movie John Hately is riding a yamaha xt 500

[00:35:59] bahar racer a twin valve single cylinder enduro adventure motorcycle made by yamaha from 1975

[00:36:07] until 1989 shiro makamura leader of the xt engine project remembers the two valve head gave

[00:36:16] a flat torque curve while the smaller flywheel allowed the engine to rev up as easily as we

[00:36:22] wanted dry sump and short stroke also allowed for better ground clearance and a more compact

[00:36:28] engine than former british bikes ever had I have no idea what any of that means Dan no neither do

[00:36:35] I but if there are any motorcycle fans out there I think it's quite a sort of legendary bike

[00:36:42] yeah it's sort of one of the good ones yeah okay I don't know yeah I can bust through a

[00:36:48] door pretty well oh yeah apparently and there's our trivia

[00:36:59] so the movie itself was uh released in January of 1983 although it did premiere in December of

[00:37:07] 1982 it was shot in five weeks on a budget of one million and it earned 3.6 million in rentals

[00:37:16] in the US and Canada right so that's theaters renting the film we don't know really what it

[00:37:22] made in terms of box office but nesmith said in an interview that it made five million right

[00:37:28] so what was the budget again one million william dears one million five million oh yeah not

[00:37:34] yeah not a lot yeah and I'm not sure how it fared in the uh market at the time because

[00:37:38] the things that were topping the charts at this time in uh 1983 were Tootsie 48 hours police drama

[00:37:48] action movie okay the verdict courtroom drama the dark crystal jim henson and the toy which

[00:37:56] was a comedy starring richard prier okay right I don't know that one yeah so it didn't cut

[00:38:01] through in that market but Michael Nesmith did make enough money from it to pour into his next

[00:38:06] film repo man directed by alex cox I love repo man yeah so that was the biggest hit of the

[00:38:13] three that he did I would love to do repo man on the podcast because no one has seen it and

[00:38:20] it's quite an odd film yeah I quite like it I've never heard of anyone talking about that

[00:38:25] movie no I remember seeing it on BBC2 as one of these sort of cult movies that they were

[00:38:32] seasoned off yeah so that's sort of where he was operating in the fringes making these

[00:38:37] weird little cult movies yeah that have kind of disappeared yeah repo man almost has a tinge of

[00:38:44] lynch to it it's quite bizarre in some parts yeah there's this like boot of a car

[00:38:51] he opens it's like a portal toward another dimension or something I can't remember but I

[00:38:57] loved it actually yeah I think that was the one that's most well thought of in retrospect

[00:39:02] repo man out of the three movies he produced yeah wow this movie wasn't so complex it was

[00:39:09] quite simple plot wise so what do you think about sci-fis and westerns that sort of combination

[00:39:15] of the two genres I can see why it has particular cultural interest in the US because

[00:39:22] that's kind of the birth of the nation really so to go back to the founding of the whole country

[00:39:28] and the wild west and the frontier and to mix it genre wise with science fiction it must be

[00:39:34] sort of nostalgic and exciting in a way in much the same way as going back to the 50s

[00:39:38] and back to the future was for a generation yeah it's not something that interests me at

[00:39:43] all I mean personally back to the future 3 is my least favorite back to the future movie

[00:39:49] okay and mashups like will smith's wild wild west yeah I've never seen it just did not interest me

[00:39:56] yeah I don't know it doesn't set my world on fire but maybe it resonates in the US audience

[00:40:01] much more yeah I mean westerns for me I've barely seen any I've seen I think a couple of

[00:40:08] the the main Clint Eastwood ones I've never seen any of um like John Wayne or yeah I've

[00:40:15] never seen a John Wayne movie no me neither not a single one no um so it's it's just a genre that

[00:40:22] doesn't really appeal to me I mean I'm also not American but I mean it has influenced the sci-fi

[00:40:29] genre you know you've got movies that are sci-fis but they are essentially westerns like

[00:40:34] Outland that we covered with Michael French is basically a remake of a western and also

[00:40:41] battle beyond the stars that we covered with Michael French it's also you know it's a

[00:40:46] magnificent seven in space yeah and you mentioned wild wild west um which is kind of like this

[00:40:53] yeah steampunk western and the Mandalorian it's definitely a sci-fi that's essentially a western

[00:41:00] yeah it's influenced the genre of sci-fi for sure um Westworld is another one that I was

[00:41:06] thinking of um the original 1973 one but there aren't that many movies where they go back in

[00:41:14] time to the wild west like I can only really think of Back to the Future 3 and this movie

[00:41:20] Time Rider no one wants to go back to the wild west as a time travel movie which is one

[00:41:26] of the reasons why I always used to be puzzled by that when Doc Brown said that this

[00:41:31] is where we wanted to go back to this time period when he could travel anywhere yeah my

[00:41:36] inclination would be let's see the future yeah you know that's interesting I mean I have to say

[00:41:42] I don't know what it is but Back to the Future 3 is the movie I've seen the most out of the

[00:41:46] trilogy why I don't know I swear I've saw it first out of the three movies I saw three

[00:41:54] first which is bizarre because I probably did not know what was going on but yeah I've seen

[00:42:00] that one the most and I mean the first one is a classic it's it sets the standard for the trilogy

[00:42:06] I do like the third one a lot the second one is almost too goofy for me because they go

[00:42:12] everywhere and then the future is this kind of weird technology's kind it hasn't really aged that

[00:42:18] well in terms of like depicting the future so I don't know I do like the third one yeah I

[00:42:24] think the second one they're not in the future very long yeah I think what interests me about

[00:42:30] the second one is that the second one interacts with the first movie yeah and so many of the

[00:42:35] directors that we've had on the show have been inspired by exactly that aspect so many of them

[00:42:43] that we've had on the show have talked about Back to the Future 2 yeah looking at the same

[00:42:47] sequence of events from different characters vantage points over and over again like

[00:42:53] Duncan Skiles talking about the clove hitch killer yeah yeah yeah Jacob Gentry as well

[00:42:58] yeah name checked Back to the Future 2 there's something about revisiting the original movie

[00:43:03] as part of your sequel that in some way is fascinating yeah I mean at the time it must

[00:43:09] have been mind-blowing oh gosh watching Back to the Future 2 yeah yeah I loved it I absolutely

[00:43:13] loved that movie speaking of westerns William Deer's all-time favorite western was Sam Peckin

[00:43:20] Paz the Wild Bunch ah right and the Dorset Brothers characters were inspired by characters

[00:43:26] from that movie and L.Q. Jones who plays one of the U.S. Marshals Ben Potter he was in the

[00:43:32] Wild Bunch right yeah he is drawing from that heritage as a genre um music so we've got Michael

[00:43:41] Nesmith he's doing the wild west music I mean it's kind of like country lots of guitars

[00:43:48] like slide guitar but then also inserting the sci-fi element with synths I mean it's very on

[00:43:55] the nose yeah and it's full of fun during this climactic scene where Lyle is trying to rescue

[00:44:03] Claire and taking on the bandits it's got this sort of rockabilly number going throughout

[00:44:08] it so you know there's squibs going off and explosions and shooting and wheelies and riding

[00:44:14] over things and but at the same time it's got this sort of you know bouncing along

[00:44:21] it's like yeah there's no risk here it's all good fun so it's kind of got that vibe about it

[00:44:26] yeah for me it felt almost like needle drop music even though it wasn't it felt kind of

[00:44:33] not that dynamic like it would often be used between scenes as like a transition music so

[00:44:39] it would just start and then it would just end like it didn't seem to even flow with the tone

[00:44:45] of the movie and often yeah a chase scene or a gunfight would start and then the music would

[00:44:52] start and then the scene would end and then the music would end it just felt very start

[00:44:56] stop I did like it it was kind of cheesy with the acoustic guitar and stuff but I did

[00:45:03] find it quite catchy yeah it was fun yeah I was listening to it this morning re-reading

[00:45:09] my notes in preparation for this recording because it was finally released many many

[00:45:14] many years after the film Michael Nesmith made it available as a CD limited edition CD and online

[00:45:21] and you can get it on most streaming services now and listen to it if you want to yeah it's

[00:45:26] a good fun listen is very 80s yeah very very 80s yeah I don't know whether it worked so well

[00:45:35] within the movie I think it's great to listen to on its own it's kind of actually works better

[00:45:41] on its own because it felt like more like complete tracks rather than often in movie

[00:45:47] scores you'll get like 10 seconds of a cue and then nothing and then like a minute then

[00:45:53] like it's all sort of short cues whereas was this was like more like fully fledged tracks

[00:46:00] yeah which probably contributes to that needle drop sense that you were getting from this

[00:46:06] I mean in terms of like doing jingles for this episode I can't wait yes a lot of stuff

[00:46:11] I could easily do yes I know I was listening to and thinking this is definitely more

[00:46:16] Dan's bag than mine yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm looking forward to that yes

[00:46:32] okay it's everybody's favorite time of the pod the moobly awards where we nominate our favorite

[00:46:38] technoid helmet scanning parts of the film in the number of accidental incest paradoxical

[00:46:45] categories best quote my favorite quote comes from Lyle himself and it's when he says

[00:46:53] as far as I'm concerned this place is history I yes I love that as well of course it's a pun

[00:46:59] as well and of course Lyle doesn't know the significance of what if he's just

[00:47:06] not at all that's the only time he gives any indication he might know that he's not in

[00:47:11] the present but he actually he doesn't he doesn't know he's got no idea no idea no idea my

[00:47:17] favorite quote comes from Carl one of the bad guys and it's after he's had his nose blown

[00:47:25] off by Claire there's a scene later where when Claude greets him by saying hey Carl

[00:47:33] with Carl replying dejectedly hey Claude because he's got no nose

[00:47:42] best hair or costume I like Padre Quinn's big poofy white shirt with what I learned to call

[00:47:52] the full bishop sleeves the ones that are all sort of like poofy right cuff and the massive

[00:47:58] silver crucifix dangling below his open laced up neckline and it's very very tight brown

[00:48:07] trousers I thought that Padre must have a very faithful congregation oh yes

[00:48:12] something yes it's very stylish oh yeah and you uh here in costume easy pick would be Lyle's

[00:48:23] motorcycle sort of bright bright red sort of jumpsuit that he wears but I did also notice

[00:48:31] he has this kind of leather like it's almost like a utility belt with all these pockets

[00:48:36] that he takes things out he's got like a glow stick at one point it's got all these

[00:48:40] things in his pockets yeah he's prepared yeah most 80s movement the most 80s thing in this film

[00:48:48] I thought was a technology enhanced tricked up super vehicle very common around this time I

[00:48:55] mean okay his bike isn't that sci-fi but he does have an eight track machine and a helmet

[00:49:02] with night vision so I think I think that counts yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah this was

[00:49:08] all the rage back then with things like night rider and air wolf street hawk which also had

[00:49:15] the same stunt rider and auto man and blue thunder and the highwayman not one I've come

[00:49:21] across before yeah short-lived apparently was a truck ah right and the wraith I think falls

[00:49:26] into that category as well yeah yeah yeah that's very true what about most 80s for you

[00:49:32] I mean I did want to ask did you ever own was it eight track I don't think eight track was big

[00:49:38] in the UK it's never been something that I ever saw anybody have yeah so I don't think it made

[00:49:44] it here because but it was in car stereos in the US right so is it I'm never seen an eight

[00:49:51] track so I don't really know what it is so it is the cassette itself bigger than a normal

[00:49:56] it's like a cartridge and the tape is on an endless loop and it literally has eight tracks

[00:50:03] right so it's like four stereo tracks yeah I think and then you can sort of flip it over

[00:50:10] right yeah as a cartridge right as a cartridge in your car and it just keeps playing and

[00:50:16] keeps playing in an endless loop okay that for me was was very 80s oh yeah favorite scene

[00:50:24] my favorite scene was Claire's rescue I've mentioned it before there's lots of

[00:50:29] lots of people shooting guns and squibs going off everywhere Lyle gets to jump over a wagon

[00:50:36] and bust through a door on his motorbike and and it's all scored as I said with this rockabilly

[00:50:41] fun music to make it show that it's sort of low stakes and enjoyable hijinks for everyone

[00:50:46] yeah although people do get killed as well yeah people die yeah but it's fun

[00:50:55] it's it's fun death yeah yeah yeah most cliche moment this is a cliche I've mentioned before

[00:51:03] but not in a long time it is that moment in the movie where everyone starts referring to

[00:51:08] the main female character as a girl oh yes everybody knows who she is everybody knows her

[00:51:15] name is Claire why it's just suddenly turns into you want Reese I want the girl she has a name we

[00:51:23] all know who it is yeah yeah she's not really a girl either full grown woman she's a full grown

[00:51:31] woman who could shoot the nose off a man at 20 paces so yeah yeah yeah show us some respect

[00:51:37] yeah yeah I mean and she's holding her own right at the end when you know all hope is

[00:51:42] lost she's used up all of her bullets and she's ready to stab some people with this knife

[00:51:49] yeah she is fearless Claire means business yeah she is a complete girl boss and I love it

[00:51:56] um cliche for me is uh bad guys always have bad teeth or in this case they have these

[00:52:05] metal caps on their teeth to make it yeah look menacing and you know not attractive

[00:52:11] but yeah all of them do yeah it's true it's very very true yeah Americans are real teeth

[00:52:19] Nazis yeah yeah only the good guys have nice veneers you know perfect teeth yeah yeah

[00:52:27] best special effect I think we might both choose the same moment which is one of the

[00:52:33] few effects in the movie and it's when a helicopter tail rotor takes out the villain

[00:52:40] and all that's left is a pair of shredded boots with bloody stumps sticking out of them

[00:52:47] which completely shocked me but also it was so ridiculous because the boots were sort of

[00:52:52] shredded in in thin strips vertically and I have no idea how the rotor did that

[00:52:59] it was like he was grated yeah yeah it was shocking sort of uh gore I guess um and and

[00:53:09] really funny because it's so over the top even yeah it felt like like a parody of gore like

[00:53:17] wow yeah okay he got completely obliterated by a helicopter yeah that's nasty so nasty in fact

[00:53:28] it was cut from the initial DVD release oh was it oh wow okay yeah favorite sound effect

[00:53:36] well yet again there's a red-tailed hawk there is there is I mean it's a desert setting you gotta

[00:53:45] have it yeah I mean there's not a lot of sort of standout sounds in this movie um I guess

[00:53:52] the only thing I could pick out was with the with a helmet with the visor when it comes down

[00:53:57] and very distinctive like whoop sound sound to it uh which is I don't know it was kind of good

[00:54:04] there was actually at the start of the movie the the laser what was it called the the time machine

[00:54:11] device was called a laser velocity accelerator um that thing when it was extending it sounded

[00:54:20] like it was really strained when it was moving because it was like and not really

[00:54:26] moving a lot but making a lot of noise kind of thing most funniest moment by far I thought the

[00:54:33] funniest moment in the film was Reese trying to ride the bike for the first time after he'd

[00:54:39] stolen it by jumping up and down on it and kicking it like a horse yeah and it then throws

[00:54:46] him flies off and then his posse shoots at it yeah repeatedly yeah that was a good scene

[00:54:53] actually I was laughing a lot and a good kind of comic payoff just the fact that they shoot at it

[00:55:00] a lot as well and it somehow gets an arrow in it which is quite it's quite hilarious

[00:55:09] yeah that's almost like a throwaway gag at the end I love it yeah yeah I thought that was

[00:55:13] fun yeah I mean the funniest scene for me was Reese's death like I mean just the the

[00:55:21] utter gore of his sort of shredded stumps yeah I was not expecting it it was too much like

[00:55:30] they went a little far yeah it's a bit ridiculous yeah but quite funny oh yeah it's very very

[00:55:38] funny yeah oh no I'm sure they were I'm sure they were going for a laugh there do you think

[00:55:44] so I think so yeah I think they were being a bit silly

[00:55:52] and that's how movies yeah

[00:55:57] hi this is Vincenzo Natale I'm the director of cube and splice and you're listening to movie

[00:56:03] Oubliot

[00:56:11] yes it is that time of the pod for final verdicts should time rider the adventure of L'Alswan be

[00:56:19] resurrected from its wild west time of 1877 and be appreciated once more or should it be

[00:56:26] shot in the back with a shotgun and thrown off a cliff back into the depths of the Oubliot

[00:56:33] never to be seen again it's a double blind for both of us Conrad what's your final verdict

[00:56:39] well I went into this with high hopes like a time travel movie we've said before we haven't

[00:56:45] done enough of them on the podcast and we should do more and this was kind of a

[00:56:50] occult curio from a well respected artist who also produced repo man so I thought this could

[00:56:57] be a really fun quirky film with Fred Ward and I have to say although I enjoyed the central

[00:57:04] character being completely clueless and I enjoyed Belinda Bowers Claire who I thought was kick-ass

[00:57:12] and fun to watch I liked the ensemble cast's hijinks I didn't think visually it was

[00:57:18] particularly interesting I didn't think the sci-fi elements were particularly interesting and

[00:57:23] I thought the pace was even for the period quite slow it was kind of lacking in forward momentum

[00:57:29] which was odd for a movie with hours of pov shots of a motorbike driving through the desert

[00:57:37] the soundtrack was great the visuals were great the location was great but I was just kind of

[00:57:43] bored yeah um sorry James yeah but I can easily see why this could be something that

[00:57:48] you kind of latched onto as a kid and had a really good time with and it stuck there

[00:57:54] as a little nostalgia item but coming at it fresh now I'm afraid it left me cold

[00:58:01] yeah I would have to agree I think there's a lot of padding in this movie I think there's

[00:58:07] not a lot of plot going on or not a lot of directional plot it seems to just amble and

[00:58:14] or meander uh like Lyle just seems to just ride around a lot

[00:58:22] but yeah I feel like there was a bit of potential it could have been quite a funny movie

[00:58:26] if they sort of played out um his sort of ignorance of being transported back in time

[00:58:33] that could have been more funny but it wasn't really so yeah it was kind of a bit

[00:58:39] directionless and kind of odd to have a character that doesn't realize it back in time

[00:58:48] never seen that before so I guess quite unique yeah but yeah for the most part I don't know

[00:58:53] whether I would recommend this movie um it is very much of the time of the 80s though

[00:59:00] so I bet a lot of people do have nostalgia for this movie but yeah I don't know whether

[00:59:05] ages so well no I mean I didn't hate it by any means there wasn't anything about it that

[00:59:12] I thought oh this is objectionable in any way or this is terrible filmmaking I just thought it was

[00:59:20] you know unremarkable I guess yeah but I did enjoy seeing it you know I'm glad I've seen

[00:59:26] it at last and we've covered it yeah yeah yeah I mean I have to say it's not a terribly

[00:59:31] made film like it doesn't come across as hugely low budget or b grade the acting's fine the

[00:59:38] costumes are fine like it still depicted the wild west uh or the 1870s like quite well like I

[00:59:48] believe that yeah it's not an ambitious movie but what it set out to do it does do but I

[00:59:53] just thought it could have been more ambitious yeah it could have done more with its premise

[00:59:59] and it could have been a real cult gem like uh buckaroo bonsai adventures across the

[01:00:05] eighth dimension yeah yeah yeah true it was a curio I really enjoyed discovering but uh

[01:00:10] yeah I don't know it's okay but no I couldn't recommend it I don't think yes

[01:00:16] all right how about our patrons what do they think well let's find out how yes could you

[01:00:22] go and fetch the uh patrons vote please I'll be back scary

[01:00:29] holy moly they want to throw it back ah okay they do agree with us then they do yeah 63% to 38 so

[01:00:39] it's not a slam dunk it was quite mixed but overall they said roost that squid and dump him

[01:00:45] in the yubli at yard sale which is me using as much motocross slang as I could find right

[01:00:53] okay I think roosting is that thing where you sort of spray dirt up in people's faces

[01:01:01] so Eddie Coulter said is this film any good well it has its moments should it be released

[01:01:06] from the yubli yet probably not but I just love this film since seeing it at my local

[01:01:11] drive-in when it came out nostalgia and my love of Fred Ward is in full effect for this

[01:01:18] yeah Matt Swafford said the movie is a little clunky and a few scenes are problematic for sure

[01:01:25] but the idea is original and it's a fun time I think it deserves to be free and seen by as

[01:01:30] many people as possible based on Fred Ward rest in peace alone the guy was an absolute

[01:01:36] treasure in everything he was in I agree with that absolutely and film aficionado said did

[01:01:44] Michael Nesmith set out to write the most clueless hero in science fiction if so then

[01:01:50] mission accomplished it's frustrating that despite all the evidence Lyle Swan never puts

[01:01:55] it together for himself that he's traveled to the 1870s the story that follows is both

[01:02:00] a pedestrian western and possibly the lowest stakes time travel adventure ever put to screen

[01:02:05] I did learn an important scientific lesson though the rigors of time travel have no

[01:02:10] negative consequences on a man's fertility ride this dirt bike back through the portal of time

[01:02:16] and into the yubli yet yes throughout the movie I was marking times where I thought

[01:02:25] oh he's figured it out oh no he hasn't and it got to the end of the movie and I was

[01:02:32] screaming at the screen saying he never figures it out

[01:02:40] I was shocked no and I think even if the scientists sat him down and explained it to him

[01:02:45] I don't think he'd believe them yeah true yeah probably not actually utterly utterly clueless

[01:02:52] and we also heard from Jasmine who said Mike Nesmith was a brilliant musician and a wonderful

[01:02:57] performer but I don't know what he was thinking when he was writing this time rider is a perplexing

[01:03:03] film it has a good idea that ultimately doesn't go anywhere a stellar cast that should have been

[01:03:08] given more to do and head scratching time travel paradoxes that could have easily been

[01:03:13] avoided if someone had actually read the script once it left Nesmith's typewriter

[01:03:19] yeah I do agree with you jasmine yeah me too so I'm glad we've seen it I'm glad we've

[01:03:26] covered it for James because he's been a supporter of the show for a very long time yes yes but

[01:03:32] I'm afraid we're pushing this bike back in going back off you go all right next episode Conrad

[01:03:42] what's it gonna be well quite the change so a different decade a different country

[01:03:48] and a completely different genre so next time we will be looking at the 2001 Japanese musical

[01:03:57] comedy horror film the happiness of the kata kuris I have no idea what that says yeah I've heard

[01:04:06] of its reputation I have never seen I've always wanted to watch it because it is directed by

[01:04:11] Takashi Miki who I do love his movies are quite a hit and miss he has a really prolific

[01:04:19] output I think he directs like three movies a year or something it's ridiculous his his

[01:04:25] filmography is immense and they range from all different genres and styles and budgets as well

[01:04:32] so you know he's done the yakuza like mafia action type movies and then he's done weird

[01:04:40] sci-fis or like horrors I mean he did audition which is you know it's considered one of the

[01:04:47] best like j horrors yeah but yeah this movie has been on my watch list for many many years

[01:04:53] so I'm very very keen to check it out and it was picked by our guest who will be joining us

[01:05:01] I'm glad we'll have somebody to guide us through this one yes I think it's going to be bonkers

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