The Postman (with Mikey Neumann and Zoe Wells)

[00:00:00] Welcome to Movie Oubliette, the film review podcast for movies that most people have mercifully forgotten. I'm Dan and I'm Conrad and in each episode we drag a forsaken film out of The Oubliette. Discuss it and judge it to decide whether it should be set free

[00:00:22] or whether it should be thrown back and consigned to oblivion forever. Movie Oubliette, maybe review the films others tend to forget. Come with us and we'll run the Movie Oubliette. Happy New Year and welcome to episode 142 of Movie Oubliette, the intercontinental podcast for forgotten

[00:00:47] fantastical films with me, Conrad, several pounds heavier in Cambridge UK. Yeah, yeah me too and I am Dan, now an Australian citizen down here in Melbourne Australia. Ooh, we focus on forgotten fantasy sci-fi and horror films because we love post apocalyptic

[00:01:08] post Shakespeare quote battles and turning equine animals into gruel. Hello Dan! Oh right, I thought you were a vegan Conrad. Yeah, it sounds all kinds of wrong and especially now because yeah I ate way too much over Christmas

[00:01:30] and I'm not happy with how much I wobble every time I step or laugh or move. I mean it's tricky isn't it because obviously the Christmas period is you have you're always having all these gatherings with family and so you're eating lots of food and then

[00:01:49] people give you gifts like gift baskets and hampers and then you have to get through all that and you can't waste food, you know that's that's the ultimate crime. And you know you're on holiday so it's you just kind of have to give in to it and just

[00:02:08] sort of deal with the repercussions later. Yeah you do and there's so much grazing that goes on as well I find. Yeah, yeah constant grazing and watching movies so yeah and you know

[00:02:21] you get past a certain age the metabolism is not as quick as it was. Yeah getting rid of it is not as easy so I think I'll be paying for this until March.

[00:02:33] Yeah me too, me too. It's good fun though and you have something to celebrate as well. Yes so now I am an Australian citizen so those of you that don't know, I am not actually Australian

[00:02:47] by nationality. I'm a New Zealander, I just have lived in Australia for a long time now but yes now I am a dual citizen and I can vote now which is nice.

[00:03:01] Is there an election coming? No I don't think so, I think it's not for another two years maybe. Okay yeah when it comes you'll be able to join in. I can do that, I can do that.

[00:03:16] Well that's good so have you been in Australia longer than you were in New Zealand now? No not quite, not quite. I think I've been in Australia for maybe 15 years but it's a good amount of time.

[00:03:29] Yeah it's a big chunk. Yeah not as much as New Zealand, not yet. Yeah no interesting. So during the holiday period did we get any mailbag from our listeners? We did yes and we have some new patrons so we were joined by film aficionado Andrew C

[00:03:50] and iconographer welcome everyone great to have you supporting the show, we appreciate it. Welcome to the community yeah and iconographer actually wrote to us to say hi Dan and Conrad

[00:04:02] I know you won't see this until the new year but I just wanted to say thank you for making such a fun show, I look forward to it every other week. You make the long hours at work or in the

[00:04:12] car just melt away. I've been meaning to become a patron for a long long time and finally just told my wife that the only thing I wanted for Christmas this year was to support you on Patreon.

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[00:04:37] No pressure. So Dan what will we be kicking off the new year with? Well I will just retrieve it now. Okay I'm on a swing bridge over a roaring river. That's an airy. Yeah but wobbly I think the

[00:04:58] movie's in the middle here hang on. Here it is oh is that a lion? Oh no quick come back okay. Hey I heard you man you're famous. Okay I am back wow on solid ground. Thank goodness so what did

[00:05:16] you bring back with you? So today we are going to be discussing the 1997 sci-fi drama film The Postman. It's directed and starring Kevin Costner based on a book by David Brinn, also co-starring Will Patton, Olivia Williams, Lawrence Tate, Joe Santos, Annie Costner,

[00:05:41] Tom Petty and Giovanni Robisi. Wow that's an eclectic cast. It is it is so what happens in this movie? Okay so I'm gonna attempt to sort of abridge this because it is a lot of movie to get through.

[00:05:59] The Postman set in the distant war-ravaged future of 2013 in America we follow a wandering loner Kevin Costner. He earns his keep by performing Shakespeare to the isolated surviving population and avoiding the merciless militia group the Holness. I think that's how you

[00:06:19] pronounce it, led by the ruthless General Bethlehem. But poor Kevin Costner is captured and voluntary recruited into the army and during the harsh training and initiation process. Of course our hero does escape and whilst sheltering from a storm in an abandoned vehicle of yore,

[00:06:39] he dons a postal service uniform for warmth. Thus he becomes The Postman Unintentionally resurrecting the ancient service of the mailing system and postmen, restoring hope to the remaining townspeople he encounters. But Bethlehem, once none of this old

[00:07:01] fashioned patriotism and literary communication and so endeavours to hunt down every postal worker and kill the postman himself. Will the newly formed postal army prevail, ending in slow motion, wrestling in the dirt? Well I guess we'll find out after the break.

[00:07:25] Yes and we'll be joined by two special guests who are uniquely qualified to take us through another post apocalypse with Kevin Costner. Can't wait! Our special guests today hail from the aptly named YouTube channel Filmjoy, a place where even the most

[00:07:57] jaded media consumer can go to rediscover their childlike wonder at the magic of the movies, even for films like Battleship, Street Fighter and most recently Brotherhood of the Wolf. They find something to love in everything and that's why we love them. It's Zoe Wells and Mikey Newman!

[00:08:19] It's so great to see you again, how are you both doing? Great. Yeah, I'm sorry Mikey, we haven't done this in so long. Well you're still in Portland, I am now a Californian. And how is that?

[00:08:33] Amazing, I have gotten so much more opportunity here just so far, so I love it here and the weather is really good. So that works out for everybody. Well speaking of weather, we had a bit of an apocalypse on our first attempt to record this

[00:08:48] podcast Zoe. It wouldn't be Filmjoy if there wasn't at least an apocalypse. Right, at least one, maybe three. Yeah, so Portland has experienced its coldest day in like 40 years. It was 11 degrees I think,

[00:09:06] but they were saying it felt like below zero and we literally heard a transformer explode. Was it Optimus Prime? Gosh, I hope not. And then our power went out 10 minutes later. We lost power for like 30 hours. Oh my gosh.

[00:09:23] We had to get everybody to a hotel and it was not the relaxing weekend we were hoping for. Well luckily we gave you this amazing film to watch that everyone is always talking about how

[00:09:36] much they love. Is this part of the podcast where they play me on the last podcast? Being like, that movie holds up. Well, yes. Well we first met at sharing our love for the Kevin Costner, a post-apocalyptic

[00:09:54] epic water world and at that time we threatened each other that we would reunite to watch his second attempt at the Acosna lips. That sounds all wrong. It does. Yeah, so this is 1997's The Postman. All three plus hours of it. I've never seen this before.

[00:10:17] Had you Dan? I had seen it before. I must have fallen asleep in it because I don't really remember much bit at all. I do remember Tom Petty eventually cameoing like As himself. As himself. Yeah.

[00:10:36] It's good two and a half hours into the film before he even arrives and kind of a pointless scene. It is too little, too late but it is also incredible just how little of a poop Tom Petty get like

[00:10:50] even in the apocalypse even though everyone is dying and armies are invading everyone else he's like hey man it's a pleasure to be here you know. Gosh water is pretty cool. Oh. Anyway before that I guess there's movie without Tom Petty. Much of it. Most of it.

[00:11:11] And had you seen it before Zoe? No no no no. No, I did not even know what it was about. I just knew that Kevin Costner was in it. I didn't even realize it was an apocalyptic film until I'm like reading the Amazon Prime

[00:11:26] like description and I'm like oh okay so we should be in for about the same bag as we were before and I was wrong. I think what broke my brain because I tweeted last night like oh I just watched the post postman forgive me. Reasonable.

[00:11:42] It was pointed out to me on Twitter this person's read of the film was was this the movie where the white supremacists start tried to like stop the post office from existing and I was like yes. Ridley Praciant. Yeah, wildly. You present. So it was a strange movie.

[00:12:08] It is a very different apocalypse than Waterworld. Yeah I mean I do have questions about the apocalypse so it's like a post war apocalypse that's that's it so I guess the whole world went into war and just everyone got decimated. But I think wasn't there also a plague?

[00:12:27] Didn't a lot of people die because of a plague? That's right. Yeah. Yes. It's not been going great for them. I mean cosmetically I did notice that it was quite similar to Waterworld and I'm sure we'll

[00:12:39] touch on a number of these events but Kevin Costner is basically a man with no name again. He's a loner with a sweet ride who shows up to a trading outpost, falls play to a roaming band of marauders.

[00:12:54] This time led by Will Patton rather than Dennis Hopper and he also goes to a small community that wants to breed with him but at least this time he doesn't have webbed feet.

[00:13:05] Yeah so it's all good and then there's a lot of saggy middle and then all of a sudden there's a finale except not but so it's more interesting I think to contrast the differences between the two of these and and there are many. Yes.

[00:13:24] I mean one thing I found was I don't know why everyone's in rags. There's no like zombies or like virus they're not stuck on water like surely they can make some clothes that don't look like their hobos.

[00:13:40] You can kind of ask that about everything though like why are they back at horses and no roads and the post office car is like in the middle of a forest it's just this apocalypse really sent things off the rails in ways that we could not predict.

[00:13:59] Like why are they no just abandoned cities or anything? Yeah they're all encampments. It's only like 15 years right? Well did the whole world just like overgrow over these cities in 15 years? Radiation is my guess.

[00:14:16] Like because if all the biggest cities got hit by really big bombs they couldn't go back there. Like so my read on this film was actually like oh is this secretly brilliant and then slowly

[00:14:30] the layers are peeled back and no but it like it is inherently a western about the literal pony express. Yeah I mean it's a civil war movie. Yeah it's not subtle with its symbol as my soul.

[00:14:43] No especially at the end I mean especially through all of it but no at the end I was just like did you trick me into watching a civil war movie what happened here?

[00:14:52] Yeah there is kind of a final well it promises a final battle between the blue and the grayish greenish brownish yeah it's essentially exactly the same but they sort of line up do their brave heart speeches and then. Have a whistle.

[00:15:08] I mean I don't want to ruin the ending but I do think it's lovely that Kevin Costner has this great quote about wouldn't it be great if wars were fought by the assholes that started them

[00:15:17] and then he rolls about on the floor with Will Patton for about five minutes and you think you've answered your own question no. Crossfading. Crossfading and in promotion. And you quit Yellowstone like I'm sorry are you going back to doing this? Yeah. All right Kevin.

[00:15:38] Well he's doing a huge western epic this year I think in two parts. That's what everyone's like make movies again please we have already removed part one from Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning like I'm so tired of the shipping two movies thing I'm sorry that was a random rant.

[00:15:57] No I get where you're coming from but I also would same as telling you guys earlier we had to split this up into three separate sittings because it's a three hour film and like I'm sorry. Three films in fact.

[00:16:08] Yeah pretty much and it's just like I get the two hours after my daughter goes to bed I don't want to spend it with Kevin Costner all the time because I'm just going to say.

[00:16:19] Bill his mule was so good that I thought I was going to lose my partner so Bill is the best character in the film and is killed like less than a third of a way through the movie

[00:16:33] and my partner Taro was like I'm not watching this she's like I'm done. Yeah they kill Bill. I know I was so upset and then they make a stew out of Bill and then he doesn't even eat it.

[00:16:47] I mean it looks a little bit like an edible cement though like I don't know what they did to bat me to make it look. Yeah something British I think but this is such an anti equine movie because not only do they kill Bill

[00:17:03] but later on they have a trusty horse in the cabin and Abby the female protagonist in this movie she just offs that horse and serves it up as gruel without batting an eyelid. It's yeah it's harsh. This movie does not like horses.

[00:17:20] And yet it employed so many of them. It's weird to like think and talk about this now because like in the realm of how idealistic this film is like we're America we're the post office we're about doing right. Also eight horses is a lot dope.

[00:17:42] It's just it's so many like I'm sorry are you the good one the horse eater. Okay yeah but they do have plenty of horses and no other farming animals. That is true. Apart from an occasional lion. Yeah but yeah.

[00:17:58] Yeah so going back to the beginning of this film there's just a lion guys. There's just a lion sort of in here. It was Alexis. The Pacific Northwest and it does just commit murder which I love that huge fan of lion murder. The lion is MVP for sure.

[00:18:18] Oh yeah after Bill of course but I love the explanation though of it's like oh there was just a zoo around and I'm like where was it go live in the zoo. I don't know they have like enclosures at least.

[00:18:31] You actually just pitched a thousand times better film. Yeah Kevin Costner surviving the apocalypse in a zoo. So it's not a sequel to Matt Damon's movie we bought a zoo. We're trying to survive in a zoo.

[00:18:45] We've already established that Bill is the best character but let's focus on our not only our lead actor but also our director Kevin Costner. Yes so it's not the Kevin's this time around he's dispensed with other Kevin. Sorry Kevin Reynolds. Yeah bye.

[00:19:06] So how do we feel about the the likeability of Kevin's central character because I remember this was a bit of an issue on Waterworld it was yeah not the most easily likable character. I liked him better because he is clearly just trying to survive this whole situation

[00:19:24] and he wanted to be by himself and that's not what happened and he kind of makes the best of that situation. I took his character as this like horrible abusive liar jerk that wills himself into having principles accidentally.

[00:19:41] He's like I'm the post office because that'll get me stuff. Free food and then he's like oh this is like I do you guys want this. Well I guess that's me and like the second most important character in this film. Ford Lincoln Mercury.

[00:19:58] Oh my god the best boy. The best boy if you were only a mule you would be number one. A mule who could act. Unlike Kevin Costner. Yeah well no my notes literally say I love Ford Mercury Lincoln he is best boy. He is definitely the best boy.

[00:20:15] It sort of killed me that like Kevin Costner in this movie whatever his the post boy loves Shakespeare does it everywhere tries like loves entertaining kids and I was like well this is kind of endearing and then when they need Kevin Costner to perform Shakespeare

[00:20:32] at like the emotional center of this movie he's just like to be or not to be I guess that is the question whether it's his nobler to so it sounded like Harrison Ford in the Blade Runner VO where he's like purposely trying to destroy. Yeah whatever it is.

[00:20:53] It wasn't the most sterling performance in his Shakespeare rap battle. Yeah that was I mean later on I have that the Shakespeare stuff is pretty self-indulgent but it's not self-indulgent in like a fun way right because he was known as a

[00:21:08] Shakespearean actor and like Mikey said he will just go and be like I don't know like my kingdom for a horse and it's like well first of all there are 11,000 horses in this movie. Secondly what are you doing?

[00:21:22] I mean my favorite part of the Shakespeare performance was the fight scene with the Mjölk the sword fighting. Yes. Bill Bassaboy like Bill is the best character in the film stealing every scene Bill is in.

[00:21:41] The thing that I found odd about his character is that unlike his character in Waterworld where he's fairly taciturn throughout in this one it feels like he's sort of forest gumping his way through this situation.

[00:21:55] I think he's supposed to be kind of goofy a man in his mule and a little bit simple and accidentally sort of starts a religion about a basic infrastructure service and I note with interest that originally this was set up as a Robert Zemeckis Eric Roth production.

[00:22:12] When the rights were bought off of the author David Brinn because this is based on a novel. So it was going to be Tom Hanks, Robert Zemeckis and Eric Roth but apparently Roth's screenplay turned the central character into a incoherent rapacious asshole so Hanks obviously wasn't keen

[00:22:34] so that whole thing collapsed and then it was picked up by Kevin who hired Brian Helgeland, hot off LA Confidential who returned to the book and tried to instill it with the sense of hope and

[00:22:47] earnest decency and heroism but I think there's some of the asshole still left in there. Yeah definitely yeah I mean there are a few moments in the movie where you really sort of

[00:23:00] question is this a nice guy like the sort of the forcefulness he has towards Abby and also the fact that he was the director of the film Kevin Costner so there are some questions like

[00:23:14] did you have to cast a female lead 13 years younger than you? Did you have to have that romantic love scene go as long? Yeah I mean I think the movie itself so we saw that it was

[00:23:27] three hours long and Sam was like there has to be an edit somewhere right there has to be a shorter movie in here that's more watchable and there is in fact a fan edit called The Expedited

[00:23:42] and like first of all tremendous yeah but yeah there are just so many parts of this movie that I'm like we got it about five minutes ago and we are still in this jeep while you talk to

[00:23:59] a skeleton and you know just going through all of these motions it was you know he got a lot of screen time which as a director slash star I guess that's your right. Yes but how did you feel about

[00:24:14] the central romance because I remember on Waterworld with Helen she was basically a sexy lamp and you weren't terribly impressed Zoe how did you feel about Abby and her slow coming to terms with

[00:24:28] the death of her husband after she's completely cuckolded him at the town dance? Yeah break that one down Zoe. Sure first just to like excise this from my brain the actor who plays Michael was on

[00:24:45] the show Nashville which is like a soap opera sort of thing and so the whole time I was just like Deacon what are you doing? Anyways I invested too much of my life into that show

[00:24:57] so I actually was not bothered when Michael was still in the picture obviously as somebody who worked a bit to get pregnant and have a kid it is not an easy feat and if that's what they

[00:25:15] really wanted I don't think they could go get like IVF easily so she found someone with the good sperm and not the bad mumps and so her husband did seem genuinely excited about being a dad all of this

[00:25:30] stuff so while it was truly awkward and bizarre to have to witness so much of that interaction. Well lit. Yeah. Turn the A light out I have the smallest request if we do this podcast again

[00:25:50] there's not a scene where Kevin Costner is just offered a woman like hello I'm here like I don't want to see that scene again because Waterworld and the postman both have that exact yeah your

[00:26:06] presence has arrived. Yeah which you know I have to agree with Mikey because again. Take him to dinner jeez yeah or like learn their name I don't know. Also a good bar yeah also very low and just anything it's the after Michael dies and also the

[00:26:27] way that Michael dies where he has to give permission to the villain to sleep with his wife and it's like no. Straight out of a brave heart yeah. Yeah and that was super icky what I'm

[00:26:41] saying is Michael deserved way better. Oh yeah. Anyways I think overall Abby is a more interesting character than the heroine in Waterworld but she is also a plot device and by she I mean she

[00:26:58] is carrying the plot device like she is pregnant and that is what makes her important and that felt not great. No I did wonder how you might feel about the fact that although

[00:27:11] she does have agency in the film she is a great shot she can batter a guy to death with a rock. Yeah quite well. Smash and space it. Oh yeah but the thing that I was particularly intrigued

[00:27:24] by was Zoe how you would feel about the scene where Kevin Costner says to Abby the child in you is mine and so you're not going to do what you just said you wanted to do you're going to do this

[00:27:38] and she has no response and just does it. So her autonomy vanishes as soon as she is pregnant and I was just wondering if Sam ever said something similar to you. I hope not. That's

[00:27:50] an experience you can relate to. No not at all. Oh good. No I mean I do think that's an interesting point though because she made it so explicitly clear like Michael is this kid's father

[00:28:06] you're just the sperm donor which I think is really important and then he like starts catching feels and is like yeah so remember that conversation we had I'm ignoring it now and so that felt really gross but I could get into a long conversation about how we treat

[00:28:25] people who are pregnant but I think that was kind of the moment that I was like oh this baby is a plot device. Yeah. Like this baby is not important. The only thing is important is that Kevin

[00:28:34] Costner had something to do with the creation of this baby because she was holding her own and then he forces her out of the town he forces her to like nurse him back to health when she's

[00:28:50] like we really should not lollygag around here and then insists every time no that's my baby so you have to do x y and z and it's just it was it was very frustrating. Yeah I don't know whether

[00:29:06] she he forces her to nurse him back to health I think it was just situational they were they had to check up somewhere it was winter. No I agree but he passed him aggressively did force her

[00:29:19] because he would die if he didn't just allow her to save his life. Right and they also stayed there much longer than she had wanted to. Oh yeah 45 minutes long part of the movie just sitting in there. That was such a long part of the movie guys.

[00:29:36] Oh it's just kept going get out of the house. She literally had to burn the house down to make him leave. Literally he's so stubborn she burns the house down I didn't even think about that is so funny.

[00:30:00] This movie is very very epic like huge production value. Beautiful photography. Oh my god yeah. Did it feel very oscar baby? Yeah I whoever designed the costumes I would be impressed if someone beat them that year and people noticed how good the costumes were in this movie.

[00:30:20] Cinematography and costume it wasn't writing. No probably not acting. No I don't think so but I mean that it is a lot of location shooting it's you know one of the largest sets I think that

[00:30:34] training camp for the mannisfier fascists that we meet up with the militia that's like an abandoned mine and I think the set is several miles wide or something along those lines so that's pretty impressive. It looked like such old Hollywood like big open landscapes definitely like western

[00:30:55] sort of landscapes it did sort of occupy like multiple genres really well and the production design I would say that should have got an award in service of what I think is the question

[00:31:10] you kind of always come back to. Yeah I thought because a lot some of the behind the scenes they go into some of the sort of compositing and green screen that they did and it's really well done

[00:31:21] like you don't notice it at all they they would put mountains in the background where there weren't mountains or they would change the sky. Yeah just not obvious it's it kind of does give it that sort of isolated post apocalyptic look. Yeah no I mean I think production

[00:31:37] wise it was genuinely incredible there's only one scene that I'm like oh we're in computer animation territory and that's when he's on the like gondola zip line. Oh yeah. But like how else

[00:31:50] were you gonna do that but you know they do these beautiful aerial shots of all of the horses and everything and specifically there's one shot that sticks in my brain of like where he is in

[00:32:01] the center on his horse and then all of the postmen go yeah they go in their own directions and you see it from above and this is before drones so like that would either crane shot or

[00:32:12] probably a helicopter shot. Yeah yeah yeah. And you're just like oh my gosh this is gorgeous and like clearly these actors had to work with the horses a lot and get very comfortable

[00:32:24] which in my notes I do also say that Kevin Kosser does look good on a horse. True. Yeah. Which is good because he's there most of the film. Not the same horse. He's not great at

[00:32:34] taking care of his his equine friends. No no I mean that zip line scene yeah it was a bit green screeny but I think some of the shots it was a zipline cage thing suspended from a

[00:32:49] helicopter. Oh my god. There was a person hanging from a helicopter. Yeah it's Kevin. I don't know why we have to go to a damn meet Tom Petty and then go down a zip line. Pointless.

[00:33:01] I mean it feels like a water world callback because he has to be on a zip line at some point. But really expensive. Yeah if you just lifted that whole section out what would you lose?

[00:33:12] Nothing. Just Tom Petty. Again one of the third best thing in the movie is Tom Petty as Tom Petty not giving one iota of a crap about anything. Yeah. And it's like perfect. It makes why is Tom Petty playing himself? Why was this a reasonable decision?

[00:33:34] You have to be you have to wonder like they just met up in a bar somewhere and after enough drinks he's like yeah I'll find you a spot. Yeah. This is just throw Tom Petty in.

[00:33:44] Yeah Julia Roberts in Oceans 12 playing both Julia Roberts and a character who looks like stop too much. I hate it so much. Another casting decision that's quite interesting is there are three count them three Kostner Children in this movie. Three of the seven.

[00:34:06] Seven children total yeah. I had to look this up but this is during his first marriage so I think those three were his only three at that point. Okay so he has the good sperm.

[00:34:17] That is what we've learned if nothing else Tom right? Yeah like you're dealing with some serious internalized issues my guy if you need to put it out there this much like.

[00:34:30] You know I guess I hadn't thought of it that way. I hadn't either tell y'all we're talking and I was like fine. A big banner of the like did you know I have the good sperm? Yeah.

[00:34:42] It's a three hour advertisement for Kevin Kostner sperm. Gross that like literally true and absolutely disgusting yeah. But he casts his kids in some questionable roles. Yeah go down them please. One of them is quite wistful it's it's the little boy who has this wonderful slow motion

[00:35:04] scene where he's disappointed because Santa has passed him by sorry the postman has passed him by. That says kid right yeah so he stands outside holding a letter. That's why that scene is so long

[00:35:18] for no reason yeah yeah. Slow motion with stirring music from James Newton Howard. And why we get to see it a second time at the end of the film. That makes that scene so it was already my

[00:35:30] least favorite scene in the movie because like it's treated with the reverence of like of resurrection. You grabbed a letter yeah did you missed. Yeah he didn't grab a letter and then he

[00:35:45] did grab a letter. Would you make a statue of him grabbing the letter I'm like you should have made a statue out of the kid being like hang on wait. Yeah because that's that's what we know happened.

[00:35:58] What a great film. Yeah yeah and then I think his daughters play various townspeople one of whom hits on him at one point. Yeah gross yeah so Amazon is very convenient in that like if you

[00:36:13] pause it it'll tell you what actors are in the scene which is why I was able to pick out his kids. They did such a bad job of naming characters in this movie. The daughter one of them is

[00:36:26] just called ponytail. Yeah she doesn't get named in the movie. No and yes you do see a scene where clearly she is like sorry it there's a pain in my chest as I'm recalling this scene. She looks so

[00:36:43] disappointed. She looks so disappointed. Yeah yeah so what happens is they have this big dance for whatever reason and she's fairly enamored with the postman and goes to ask him to dance and thank goodness he doesn't reply. He just ignores her and walks away because I couldn't

[00:37:07] I wouldn't that's when you would have lost me as an audience member when you have to either reject and or accept your daughter's invitation. I think Kevin Costner needs like an optics guy

[00:37:20] like hey this scene bad don't yeah actually it looks like you wanted to reject your own daughter like it's weird it's weird. You could have just gone to then forward asking her to dance

[00:37:34] yes right like you could have just taken that out yeah and then just have her be interested in the age appropriate non-relative person in this movie. Yes there are a few of them out there.

[00:37:50] Yeah weirdly enough it only gets worse. I do you think that they were going for more like oh he's like a father figure kind of thing or were they actually going for like I have the hots for this

[00:38:01] older guy. Gonna return to my previous should have hired an optics guy. Yeah I think I worked out her age in this movie she's only like 13 or something. She's I think she's yeah she's

[00:38:14] definitely a teenager I would love the interpretation to be the like oh he's so cool like I would love to get to know him better having been a teenage girl uh one it's very hard to have those feelings

[00:38:29] and not mistake them for romantic feelings at least for me personally and two if I wanted to get to know somebody better I absolutely am not asking them to dance not in a platonic way but again maybe this is just me projecting on to Kevin Costner's daughter.

[00:38:51] Now it's time for Random Trivia. Dan what fabulous piece of trivia did you find in the Postman's bag today? Oh yes so this this movie is based on a book by David Brin but did you know that David

[00:39:05] Brin also wrote the story to the 2000 Dreamcast video game Echo the Dolphin Defender of the Future developed by Apolysa Interactive so it was the fifth installment of the Echo franchise and

[00:39:21] also Reboot where you play as a dolphin. They're still trying to reboot it again are they? Yeah I didn't I'm a big Echo fan I'm sorry I'm such a dork. Yeah I mean I remember playing and

[00:39:33] the plot of this this game is the aggressive alien foe were once engaged in a war with Earth but were repelled by the combined forces of humans and dolphins seeking revenge they attack their guardian earth's defense system and succeed in damaging him Echo a noble dolphin is called

[00:39:53] upon to heal the injured guardian and drive off the alien race and yeah I mean David also the author of the postman so there you go. Fascinating. Marvelous. An allegory to the civil war and

[00:40:11] dolphins defeating aliens it I mean that's that's range guys. Yeah I know it is yeah it's impressive. We should have given Costner as a dolphin. I just thought of the wildest thing so this is a movie

[00:40:25] about like we're gonna bring the post office back we're gonna make this happen Kevin and anyone associated with Kevin spends zero percent of this movie teaching people to read or write.

[00:40:38] And like so many people are like I can't read read it to me I just thought that was interesting I just realized that yeah it's very true and that's our trivia. It really is a no pun intended a love letter to the post office.

[00:41:00] Very little. So the author of the source novel David Brinn said that the whole point of his novel was a rejection of the sort of cozy apocalypse genre that he saw growing up where the whole

[00:41:13] of the world is wiped out apart from a handful of people who have a great time romping around empty shopping malls he was sick of that so he wanted to do something to show how bad that

[00:41:21] would be and what the importance of connectedness and community were and so this this reemergence of the government and of the postal service connecting people. Question okay because I've been waiting to throw this hand grenade for the whole podcast.

[00:41:40] I'm sorry Mr. Bren was your point to make a love letter to the post office where they become not only a standing army but like a militarized organization. Kevin you need an optics guy.

[00:42:01] Yeah they literally go postal yeah with a sort of messianic central figure and that's the thing that I also find weird about the movie that everybody sees something in Kevin's forest gumpy figure that he doesn't see everybody like the magical blind lady can tell that he's special

[00:42:19] the villain can tell that he's dangerous but then the next time he meets him doesn't remember him at all and I don't get the sense that there's been a significant passage of time so Will Patton's

[00:42:30] just faceblind yeah yeah but everybody who meets him sees something in him that he doesn't they see the legend and then they unveil a statue at the end of Kevin and it's like it feels very much like a misguided vanity project at that point and I

[00:42:51] yeah I don't think he consciously intended it that way yeah well I do feel like it was a kind of an ongoing trait of his characters that sort of reluctant hero like that's just Kevin

[00:43:05] Costner's characters throughout all those films and it's just I guess another one in this film yeah yeah I mean he certainly falls into the hero and very intentionally right he's just like

[00:43:18] supposed to be on his own doing his own thing with his mule and then he ends up starting this religion and everything but as you know Mikey said he started it because he wanted food

[00:43:31] like he just lied because he knew that he could he made up a president yeah he does a literal treason yeah he lies a lot I mean I if I reach down real deep I can see where he started

[00:43:47] this in a good-hearted fashion right sure he found the abandoned post office truck stole all the stuff from it I can only imagine lighted on fire and then he's like well I mean I guess this isn't

[00:44:03] so far away I'll just make a pit stop and like he didn't have to do that but he also sort of did to eat so I may have just talked to myself out of my own point here of saying that he was

[00:44:16] sort of trying to be good and instead he just accidentally was good yeah yeah and then was horrified at the religion that he created because people were dying yeah people shouldn't worship

[00:44:29] their job actually you've done the worst thing yeah Kevin I will say and you know we all lived through the recent pandemic it was comforting to be able to talk to people for sure and obviously

[00:44:45] we had like zoom and Skype and whatever else to do that and so I would find great comfort if I got a letter from my sister after I thought she had been dead for five years you know like yeah

[00:44:56] I think ultimately restarting some line of communication would have been a very very good and hopeful thing yeah I don't think he had to make up a president I don't think he had to lie

[00:45:08] about the whole country again just talking about it makes you think other things so like for all of this to be true you're Kevin Costner you're making this movie is about how great the post

[00:45:18] office is I'm gonna screw my way across America like you literally have to invent an army of people that just hate the mail I guess because there's not really like people to be like don't deliver

[00:45:35] the mail will stop you like you have to invent an army that just hates the concept of government I mean I think the army hated the concept of not them right and the post office did allow people to

[00:45:50] talk and find out that there were more of the not them out there we haven't even talked about the villain of our story who like really pulled a Jeremy Irons and was chewing every scene he was

[00:46:04] a part of yeah interestingly though I don't think will pattern is quite the same as Dennis Hopper or Alan Rickman in terms of threatening to steal the entire movie from Kevin Costner

[00:46:15] which had happened him to him twice in the past and we talked about that I don't think will pattern wonderful actor though he is I love him in everything that he's in practically maybe not this

[00:46:27] but he's yeah he's I think he does a good turn as this what is he's like a photocopy yeah salesman yeah who sees an opportunity to turn himself into this autocratic leader of a militia

[00:46:44] that is quite clearly white nationalist and it turns out he's big on small government too in fact he wants no government whatsoever he burns the American flag and tries to wipe out the post

[00:46:56] office I do find it odd though watching sort of pre the manosphere the emergence of the manosphere through social media in 1997 you've got all the hallmarks of this alpha male

[00:47:10] men have got to be tough and the weak have got to be left behind and and then it turns out that he's impotent as well so it's all bravado and it's all fake all of this incel nonsense and

[00:47:22] you think wow this is bizarrely prescient this movie ahead of its time but also it's just a glowing ad for Kevin Costner at all time like he should just wear a shirt that says good sperm

[00:47:35] yep because everyone else has bad sperm for some reason but your sperm is great it's because they had the bad mumps when they were kids Mikey I there are names for diseases in films like

[00:47:48] nothing has ever given me the chills quite like oh he's got the bad mumps yeah I don't know what that is like what's the good mumps don't answer that

[00:48:02] I will say I really enjoyed the villain I mean in in the way that he made me hate him so much and usually I have found with actors like you can kind of see through the cracks and be like

[00:48:15] no they seem like you know they started out okay no this guy is full evil like straight up one of the laws is murder right like this is what he is standing to and so every scene

[00:48:30] that he's in you know you just start hating him that little bit more and I know we're gonna talk about favorites later on but my favorite line actually comes from him when at the big finale everybody's on their horses whatever and Kevin Costner waves the white

[00:48:48] flag to you know start the duel and one of the people is like is he surrendering and the villain is like god I hope not which is my favorite line in the film yeah and I think that's his driving

[00:49:01] factor is he's like I really I want to murder guys if you'll just let me murder then everything will be fine and so I don't know I was very impressed at how much I hated him yeah yeah

[00:49:13] I think he is truly truly hateable like I think Kevin really wanted the bad guy to be really evil just aids him but he still can't kill him at the end because of course you can't kill

[00:49:26] the bad guy but there is a body count in this movie it's huge like every character just gets killed like the sheriff gets killed the Michael the husband gets killed groups of characters yeah bill

[00:49:40] bill gets killed how could we forget should we talk about the wrestle fight at all because it is like all it is a full on like you're expecting this huge climax in this movie and then two dudes just

[00:49:54] kind of go I got your ear yeah yeah and a slow mo cross fading like dust everywhere it's kind of pointless you're waiting there's such a build up for this big battle duel yeah and then it's just

[00:50:11] what is like some sort of like 80s music video yeah well and specifically how they started the fight right they human joust each other off of the like yeah they're just like this is gonna be

[00:50:25] the greatest hug that has ever happened and committed to film not the most choreography on display I think yeah I've seen enough fight scene not John Wick that was exactly my thought as well though hilariously I did point out when when we were noticing bill was probably definitively

[00:50:44] gonna die this movie kind of was John Wick they just didn't use it yeah he could have been mad about bill that whole time and we would have accepted that yeah yeah I wanted revenge for bill

[00:50:57] justice for bill I would rather a mule be a plot device than an unborn child that's for sure better plot advice in every way yeah but don't we feel as though this movie is so brave to have

[00:51:13] a pacifist ending no it's not the ending of all action movies I given the way you've set up this villain character I feel like he'd be like sure let's fight shoot them all yeah you agreed to the

[00:51:27] tickle fight this you're not hard you're not hard I'm sorry and then at the end he's like I'm the leader of this clan and people just like accept that yeah everybody's on board yeah so easily

[00:51:44] the henchmen on the other team is like hey mementos baby yeah and then I think the funniest thing for me and I didn't even notice it Sam did is there like law number one is there's peace and then law

[00:52:01] number eight is live and let live and I guess we'll just fill in the rest later you know we got one we got eight we'll just like figure out two through seven law two yes but only for Kevin

[00:52:17] costner and he's good sperm Kevin's kids I'm so sorry that Mikey and I have said sperm so much in your podcast this episode is about a film Kevin Costner directed you can't not talk about sperm

[00:52:35] absolutely yeah coming to you live from the movie obliate theater it's the prestigious movely awards hello it's that special time on the pod the movely awards where we nominate our favorite Bithlou ham branded parts of the film in a number of postal uniformed categories

[00:52:59] best quote there was I don't remember the exact line it was an api line it was when she has to explain everything that she needs to happen and then removes all of her clothing but it's like

[00:53:11] my husband's okay with this this is fine I need you for this and this and like it's a line that no one ever wants to get and I think like a hand where do like impressive yeah

[00:53:26] a lot of heavy lifting in that line yeah uh there is also another it's like a background line when they change the the post office oath oh yeah to something along the lines of like

[00:53:42] you know it's like rain sleet slow hail we'll deliver your mail whatever it is so that's the original one and then the the newer one they come up with is definitely about murdering

[00:53:52] the white nationalists and I'm like oh so we've changed our mission statement a little bit okay a little hunger games in there all right yeah 24 hour track delivery plus complete genocide so

[00:54:07] that's great yeah so uh my favorite line came very early and it was in one of my favorite scenes with my favorite character bill and it's where Kevin says to the mule what are you worried about

[00:54:19] all you got to do is stand there I'm the one with all the lines yeah which I thought oh it's so meta it's wonderful best hair or costume I think there is a clear winner in the costume category

[00:54:34] and it has to be will pattern as Bethlehem in his leather pants because honestly I think any man deserves to be a vicious autocrat if he can pull off leather pants the word deserves was doing some

[00:54:51] work in that you know I think I could even go for a trump second term if he wears leather pants throughout I just fled my last date I don't condone this but the leather pants were great

[00:55:10] back to the LPs yeah I found the the sort of difference between the costumes wasn't much so the good postman they still had a red collary thing yeah but the bad guys also had a red collary

[00:55:26] thing red wine blue you know it was it was red versus blue but both red and blue are gonna be red and blue yeah in the other it was a bit confusing it'll very confusing I think the only time that I

[00:55:41] really particularly noticed the costumes was when you see forward actually like embroidering the post office like sit on to his jacket and I thought if you look at all of the postman especially in their camp like in the post office town they all have taken the time to

[00:56:01] either put the American flag somewhere on their clothing or put the like post office sign and I just thought that was like a really incredible detail yeah that six star didn't necessarily have to

[00:56:13] have yeah yeah most 90s moment I was going to say the it's a western but not really genre so you had back to the future part three in 1990 ravenous city slickers wild wild west and vampires

[00:56:34] john carpenter's vampires which I think is essentially there were a lot of them sorry unforgiven yes white herb also uh kevin costner directed that yeah yeah yeah 90s for me I think Conrad you mentioned this in waterworld like ziplines so

[00:56:56] ziplines again in this movie a pointless zipline about the the least repairable like infrastructure possible like that snaps well that'll be down for four years so uh yeah yeah yeah favorite scene my favorite scene in this movie is when you're in the training camp and they

[00:57:18] have nightly screenings of the sound of music oh my god thank you I really I have that in my notes being like I love the movie nights and then I was like oh no I haven't I haven't talked about them

[00:57:31] oh no yes my favorite is at one point the projectionist tries to do alternative programming and show universal soldier and there's almost a riot yeah yeah yeah people start throwing things at him

[00:57:44] throwing rocks at the booth yeah oh I loved that yeah it's great julie andrew's great in the apocalypse doll flungering that's a no no all right yeah heard so the the fascist militia

[00:57:58] manasphere group really loves that julie andrew's music loves it yeah yeah I think I'm also sort of bummed just now realizing this was a movie where people appreciated adored live music

[00:58:15] tom petty shows up in your movie and no one's like get a get him a guitar nobody nobody everybody else gets to sing tom petty get out of here that's true yeah most cliche moment I'm gonna

[00:58:31] jump right in and go for an obvious cheap shot which is desperate housewife wants to bang the postman oh no I hadn't even sorry I mean that speaks to me like I think again the woman being the plot

[00:58:49] device is certainly a cliche that I noticed Kevin costner inventing his own cliche where women just go hello uh that like that is amazing like that's your cliche yeah you know conrad this whole time

[00:59:08] you've been talking about how like people see something in him that he doesn't I and maybe this started maybe like 15 minutes ago I was like does he have an aura of good sperm like can people

[00:59:20] just sense it like just like yeah it's probably a musk oh yeah right like the pheromones tell you it's it's good sperm in there and so we must protect him anyways um it's gotta be tough to go to a restaurant every table is just like

[00:59:40] has costner ever done a fragrance because he should oh god yeah just call it good sperm all ask him best special effect all of the practical stuff with the animals so cool not a special effect

[00:59:56] but horses yeah and a real lion yeah as well whereas you know these days never real yeah you would never get a real lion I was going to mention that that putting a real lion in front of a

[01:00:09] green screen and just getting it to you know through a trainer getting it to do the actions they need it to do and then compositing it into the scene I much prefer that to all the digital

[01:00:19] animals we get but then maybe that's better than a bunch of animals being in captivity with trains all the time yeah um yeah special effect for me was all that sort of subtle compositing

[01:00:30] and greens green stuff um and there's the scene with the snow that's that's not real snow that's like added which is amazing really yeah wow like uh yeah it's well there were sort of raw footage

[01:00:44] there's no snow at all um when they have that sort of snow storm and he has to save Abby because she's fallen in the river for some reason um yeah it's not real snow favorite sound do you

[01:00:59] fact all of the sounds that James Newton Howard made were great oh yes the score the score is exceptionally good for like the music was rousing when like literally nothing is happening yeah yeah

[01:01:14] it's it's true it's alarmingly close to Apollo 13 in places yes unfortunately like almost no per note wow I mean I enjoyed it like it got you in the right mood you know it was it's totally

[01:01:30] perfect like it sounds a little cheesy now like it does sound like really rousing 90s score epic it was effective it was yeah he even broke out the pan pipes for the uh running across the suspension bridge yeah yeah yeah my favorite sound was the weird grunting noises

[01:01:52] in the van yeah in the car yeah when he finds a lighter and a hip flask of booze and then they're just the weirdest noises come out of Kevin Gosna I don't know what's happening I am really happy to be I don't know next to a skeleton yeah

[01:02:11] just give us some exertion oh that that's my skeleton right most funniest moment the horse sword fight I've I've seen it is so perfect it is so yeah I didn't know that you could train it remember when Bill was still in the movie and then like

[01:02:31] the movie is good remember that yes and then Bill was not in the movie and then it's not good for two and a half hours yeah for a very long time yeah yeah I think for me one of the funniest

[01:02:44] parts is when you see the realization dawn on Kevin Costner that she is the one who set the house on fire yeah Abbey is the one who's like no we're leaving guy like I packed her and he's

[01:02:57] like all our stuff and he's like no I already packed it you think set the fire and you're just like all right all right I'll see where this goes yeah I thought that was very funny yeah I love that

[01:03:07] someone else made a decision for Kevin Costner and for the first time in that movie he's like well I guess I have to do that then because usually I'm like I've made the dumb decision

[01:03:18] and we're doing the thing and this time somebody else did and he's like well I guess that's what a relationship is yeah uh sometimes weird yeah he doesn't look comfortable with it at all

[01:03:30] no he's not he's not at all for me the funniest moment I'm sorry maybe I'm just a cynical Brit but the moment when the little girl begins a spontaneous chorus of America the beautiful

[01:03:43] blocked it from memory because it was quite bad like why do you know that song yeah they kind of make a whole point at one point to have the conversation of like well this these younger

[01:03:55] people never knew you know America before and all of this stuff the old guy the old like what he was like a rocket scientist or a satellite technician or something who becomes the postman when they're

[01:04:08] having their conversation of the like well they didn't they don't know any better like they want a better world and they've never seen one and then yeah they break out like American classics and you're like yeah but like also there's this huge roving army that will just

[01:04:24] murder you if you say the word post office yeah but that's all the kids know America the beautiful though yeah just don't sing the post office line yeah in America the beautiful because you will be killed yeah and that's our move the awards yes

[01:04:49] hello this is Robert Picardo and you're listening to movie oobliet okay it's time for our final verdicts should Kevin Costner's the postman be released from the oobliet to deliver the world's mail

[01:05:04] by horseback to all its adoring fans and neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night can stop it or should it be shot in the back not by the hero of course and then be thrown off a swing

[01:05:18] bridge into the dips of the oobliet lost forever final verdicts everyone for the postman minds complicated because I think also I have not reached a conclusion so my I really want instantly because of the

[01:05:36] phrasing of the question because you said it should it be shot in the back by someone other than I think Kevin Costner should be the one to shoot this movie you did that is my final verdict

[01:05:54] okay so I think it should stay in the oobliet except for like gifts from like certain scenes like if we could just condense this down to like a reddit thread of gifts I think that is how we

[01:06:12] should enjoy this movie r slash bill again yeah it's just bill for me personally it is too long and he just wasn't fun enough like I enjoyed it but I enjoy watching bad movies because like at film

[01:06:33] joy we watch them with our friends or I watched this with Sam and like we talked most of the way through it or we would pause it and be like where have I seen this guy before like you know

[01:06:42] I'm like we do all of that which by the way if you're wondering it's probably there was one guy he was like the taller one of the trio of younger post officers and I was like how do I know him

[01:06:54] and he's from remediburn the titans a movie that I watched an obscene amount of time in my high school for whatever reason anyways I don't know I'm not gonna watch it again guys and

[01:07:04] I think that's my criteria I'm just I'm not gonna do it okay two for two how about you Dan yeah I think I might be an outlier here I mean I didn't hate the movie I'm sure it's not a perfect movie at

[01:07:17] the same time and yeah Kevin Costner it's not a he's not my favorite actor I don't really like him but I think the premise alone for this movie maybe the source material is what I like I did

[01:07:31] enjoy that like what if in the future you know technology is kind of gone and and and the population's decimated and then we're trying to reinstate the postal service like that's I don't

[01:07:44] know I think that's interesting I thought Will Padden was a great villain as well so I think yeah I think if you trimmed like an hour of this movie just like yeah it would be a pretty solid film

[01:07:58] not a great film but pretty solid and maybe yeah maybe I would recommend a two hour vision of this I think on the whole I can't really recommend this movie although Waterworld is just as notorious

[01:08:16] when we looked at it that it's just like a big splashy well literally uh 90s action movie and when you watch it there's nothing actually wrong well there are a few things wrong but I mean

[01:08:28] there's nothing more wrong with it than any other big splashy or 90s action movie so we let that one go this one doesn't feel quite as notorious it does genuinely feel like it's gone into the

[01:08:41] uberliette having sat through three hours of it and finding so little to recommend about it I kind of feel like it should just stay there not because it's dreadful just because it's just

[01:08:52] it's just not very good it's really dull although I love the ideas Dan I think you're right I like the idea behind it I'm not very clear on the execution I think it does slip into vanity project

[01:09:05] oh yeah 100 yeah yeah okay so we're not unanimous but most of us want to throw this movie back I guess we better check in on what our patrons think hello Hal yes happy new year what have

[01:09:19] you been doing during the break I was busy generating images of humans with too many fingers oh okay well we need the final verdict please you'll never guess they want to set it free oh oh agrees with me

[01:09:35] yeah they do I'm not the outlier you're not no two-thirds of them in fact wanted to set this movie free Eddie Colt says I say let the postman continue to deliver the mail even though the

[01:09:48] movie has many problems I still find it entertaining and dr doggy one of our longest supporters said yes it's about an hour longer than strictly necessary doesn't have the weird sf parts of the book

[01:10:02] but it deserves to run free if only because it will probably end up as an historical document and I like scary cable cars right but it did have its detractors so Jasmine said

[01:10:20] e gad overly long overly sentimental and overly predictable I could not wait for the end credits to roll so I could give my copy to my own postman and airmail it express to the nether regions of

[01:10:34] the Yukon territory and of course we heard from cold crash pictures hello hello search hello search and he says it's fine a bit too long but people talk like it's the worst film ever made and it's

[01:10:51] just not that yeah plus I'll take any film American made no less which valorizes the post office over the military any day so yeah great voting there lovely comments too but unfortunately I think

[01:11:10] we're gonna throw it back yeah I think it's what three against two yes it is so I'll just slap a return to sender on there and yeah hold it back in goodbye so Zoe and Mikey thank you so much for

[01:11:25] joining us again for another Kevin Costner apocalypse it's it was a long slog of a movie but you've made it an absolute delight to break down where can people follow you and what can they look

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[01:14:09] patron's choice they've been nominating all kinds of exciting stuff to put on the uble at roulette everything from Julia Roberts in mary riley to kyle mclothan in the hidden shakma the wizard of speed and time the abominable snowman loads of stuff it's great

[01:14:31] it's all sound ideal yes let's do it yes let's do it let's wheel that thing out here okay okay here we go spinning it is so fast round and round shakma exciting I haven't seen this movie I did read his comment so this is voted by nick

[01:15:00] and he said something about a killer primate yes oh yes a 1990 american natural horror film directed by tom logan and Hugh park starring christopher atkins amanda wiss arry miahs and roddy mcdowell of legend of hillhouse hellhouse sorry battling a booboon that's been driven insane

[01:15:23] by an experimental drug right uh-huh this was nominated by nick are one of our long time listeners and I don't think any of his choices have ever cropped up on the wheel before so congratulations yes congratulations and uh sorry for the long wait

[01:15:44] yes but just goes to show have faith everyone you never know when your luck will come in on the uberia true lad yes thanks again to zoe and Mikey from film joy for joining us on this episode

[01:15:58] yeah thank you so much for having us okay all right bye for now bye yeah so as far as you know you have good seaman