The People Under the Stairs

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Movie Oubliette, the film review podcast for movies that most people have mercifully forgotten.

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Dan.

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Conrad.

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And in each episode, we drag a forsaken film out of the Oubliette.

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Discuss it and judge it to decide whether it should be set free.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Or whether it should be thrown back and consigned to oblivion forever.

[00:00:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Movie Oubliette

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: In this podcast, we ponder over sci-fi, fantasy and horror films that people have swept under the rug.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We just love creepy, booby-trapped houses, guys in gimp suits and cannibalism.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Our favourite.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a quiet taste, isn't it?

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Conrad, all set to go.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking forward to this.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_04]: This is Fright Fest.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I've never been to it.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just going for a day as a bit of a warm-up for going to another film festival in a few weeks.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, yes.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I'm going with a friend to watch a whole bunch of movies,

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: including Nightmare on Elm Street's 40th anniversary screening.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That's very fitting for this episode.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And no dugongs, though.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And you didn't have any dugongs either.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So we went on a sort of four-day beach weekend.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't technically a weekend, but it felt like an extended weekend because we left on a Sunday.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But we took the dog and we went down to the Gippsland Beach Bay Area, Loxport.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We went to a beach and let the dog run free on a stunning beach.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's the middle of winter, so there was no one there, but it was amazing.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It was pretty much like a private beach that went on for miles and miles and miles.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, the dog had a good time.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah?

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen the coast for a very, very long time.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, it's not that far away, right?

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I live on an island.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: It's ridiculous.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember when I was in the UK, it's funny because the weather's generally not great in the UK.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: People go to the beach, even if there's only a glimmer of sunshine.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you blame us?

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, you've got to take it while you can.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But I remember going once and it was not warm.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It was very windy.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And the beach was packed.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: If the sun peaks out even slightly, we go down there and have some ice cream and dump a whole

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_04]: load of coins into an arcade.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I do love the seaside arcades.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: They're a thing that does not exist here in Australia.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's a tradition.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You've got to play one of those games with the grabbers that don't pick up anything.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Or the game where you put in the coins and you're trying to knock off other coins.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That one.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like moving backwards and forwards.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Draws.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like if you win like five 10p pieces after you've patiently fed in like six pounds.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_04]: You feel like it's a victory.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: It's insane.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, happy days.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Anything in the mailbag today, Conrad?

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Any happy listeners?

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Lots of them, including Kevin from Planet X, who's rejoined us as a patron after taking a

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_04]: short break.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And Kevin said, I can't tell you how happy it makes me that my favorite podcasters have

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: had such glowing reviews of Godzilla 1954 and Godzilla minus one, which we covered in one

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_04]: of our exclusive Minnesotans for patrons.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been a fan of the big guy since as long as I can remember.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: He also mentioned that the special effects director you mentioned is IG Sue Buraya.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if I've got that right.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Kevin did spell it phonetically for me.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And he says, before Godzilla, there was no special effects industry in Japan since sci-fi

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and fantasy films were so rare.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_04]: He got his start making miniature sets and props for wartime propaganda films, which gave

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_04]: him the expertise for Godzilla.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He essentially is the beginning of the sci-fi fantasy cinema in Japan.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And since his work on Godzilla, Ultraman and related properties had such a profound effect,

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_04]: he's a hugely important figure.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And everything from Akira to Pokemon to Studio Ghibli owes him a debt.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That's really interesting.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Who knew?

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, probably lots of people knew that, but we didn't because we were just discovering

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: this.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks, Kevin.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: He also wanted us to watch Shin Godzilla because that's a good one.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good one.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, then maybe sometime in the future.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm definitely interested in checking out more.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, me too.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: We also heard from Dustin Rathburn who said, I haven't had a chance to see Long Weekend yet,

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: but the way you all described it reminded me of 1977's Day of the Animals, where all of

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_04]: the animals in the area of the story go berserk and attack the humans with deadly force.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: There was a scientific rather than supernatural reason presented for the events in that film,

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: though.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: One of the most memorable things about Day of the Animals was Leslie Nielsen in one of

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: his non-comedic roles, going full caveman and trying to take a bear down in hand-to-hand

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Mortal Kombat.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I really want to see that.

[00:06:42] Yeah.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever seen Leslie Nelson in the serious role.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It's really weird.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I've seen a few.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, he's the captain in The Poseidon Adventure, the disaster movie.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And when he's screaming at a tidal wave coming at him, you can't take it seriously at all.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, right.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: It's really bad.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, dear.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Good fun, though.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_04]: We were struggling to think of another movie where lots of different animals started attacking

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_04]: people rather than just one.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, that's really interesting, doesn't it?

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that's a Riff Trax movie or a Mystery Science Theater movie.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like they've done it, so I might check that out.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's really interesting.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking back to the Long Weekend movie and how the sort of lack of dangerous animals

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: in a country that's full of dangerous animals.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got the most dangerous animals in the world.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like one snake in the movie and I'm pretty sure it's a python, which is not that

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: dangerous.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: There are so many other snakes.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: There's so many spiders they could have used or crocodiles or anything.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Anything else.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But no.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Possums.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Possums and eagles.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And a dugong.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, dear.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And we also heard from Serge of Cold Crash Pictures.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, Serge.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, Serge.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And he said, Long Weekend is a 100% vibes-based horror powered by little more than foreboding

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: imagery and weird sound effects, with two leads who are very hard to like.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: But I liked it.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It's slightly underwhelming as an eco-horror, but bolstered by a tumultuous marriage with

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: mysterious baggage.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I actually like it much more as a film about a doomed relationship with a lot of external

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: manifestations of their various traumas than a movie about nature taking revenge.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's sort of impossible to avoid the eco-horror angle.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's very explicit.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_04]: We're shocked when Movie Oubliette reached a unanimous verdict on their latest episode and

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_04]: then polled their patrons and got the exact opposite unanimous verdict.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_04]: For a relatively obscure film, it sure is polarising.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was really fun.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: That's never happened before, but it was fun.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it has never happened.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's true.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So thanks everyone for writing.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_04]: We really do love hearing from you.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yes, we do.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, on to the film for today, Conrad.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, let me just hang out over here with the Oubliette and find out what it is.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I seem to be in between some walls.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, bit of a maze.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, tunnels and plaster and rubbish.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You can hear people howling.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, creepy.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, here's the movie and a door.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I've just opened the knob.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: What happened?

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It was electrified.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'm coming back.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, watch out for the dog.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you kids will be the dead of me.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Good grief.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: It's getting so hazardous in there.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So what do you have?

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So I have with me the 1991 American comedy horror film

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_04]: The People Under the Stairs,

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: written and directed by Wes Craven,

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_04]: starring Brandon Adams,

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Everett McGill,

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Wendy Robey,

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: A.J. Langer,

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Ving Rameys,

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Bill Cobbs,

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Kelly Jo Minter,

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Sean Whalen,

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and Jeremy Roberts.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, nice.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And what happens in this film?

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, when his grandmother is bedridden with cancer

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_04]: and his family's threatened with eviction,

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: 13-year-old Poindexter Williams,

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_04]: known by his nickname Fool,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: is convinced by family friend Leroy

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: to break into the landlord's house

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_04]: to steal a rumoured stash of gold coins.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately, Fool and Leroy discover

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: that beneath the wealthy Robeson's veneer

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: of white suburban middle-class perfection

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_04]: lies a twisted world of booby traps,

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: imprisoned children,

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and cannibalism.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: The landlords call each other mummy and daddy,

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: keep their so-called daughter Alice locked up indoors,

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: obediently wearing pinafore dresses

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and sewing ragdolls,

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_04]: while all their rejected naughty sons

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: are trapped in the basement,

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_04]: feeding on the bodies of hapless would-be burglars

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and other undesirables.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Will Fool be able to escape

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_04]: with the help of Alice and Roach,

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: a young boy who lives in the walls?

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Are the evil Robesons

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: sitting on a mountain of gold after all?

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And why does Daddy hunt people

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_04]: in his house

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_04]: wearing a black leather gimp suit?

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Find out, possibly,

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: after the break.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And we're back

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_04]: to get to know the people

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_04]: under the stairs.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Dan, had you seen this movie?

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I had not.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I have owned this movie for a while

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: because I picked it up

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty sure like the first year or two

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: that we started the podcast.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I always wanted to watch this.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like people have mentioned this movie a lot.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so glad that we're finally covering it.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_04]: How about yourself?

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I saw this

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: not as a rental.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: It didn't appeal to me.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I seem to remember.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I saw this on television

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_04]: about the time

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: that it started getting

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_04]: a bit of a cult following

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and was being

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_04]: re-appreciated

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_04]: because

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_04]: when it came out,

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it was

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_04]: a massive success

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_04]: immediately.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Although it was number one

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_04]: in the box office

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_04]: the first week

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_04]: of its release.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh wow, was it?

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it was.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_04]: So it debuted at number one

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_04]: on November 1st, 1991.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Number two was Curly Sue,

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_04]: the John Hughes family comedy.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I do love that movie.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I do.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It's cute, isn't it?

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Number three was Highlander 2,

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_04]: which we are intimately familiar with.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, check out our video essay

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: on that one

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: if you would like to.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Number four was Billy Bathgate,

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: which I think is a crime drama.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And number five,

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Little Man Tate,

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: which I think is a Jodie Foster movie.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember rightly.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Haven't seen that either.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Very different time

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_04]: in the cinema back then.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And it sort of slipped

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: from one to two,

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_04]: then four,

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: then seven,

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_04]: then nine,

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: then ten.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So it was in the charts

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_04]: for a long time

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and ended the year

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of 57th overall,

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_04]: having garnered

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_04]: about $31 million worldwide

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_04]: on our six million budget.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So it wasn't a flop.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_04]: But I remember at the time

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_04]: that people,

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_04]: including myself,

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_04]: were sort of disappointed

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_04]: because it's

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Wes Craven

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_04]: let loose

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_04]: on another scary movie

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you watched it

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's not really

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_04]: a scary movie.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean,

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: it's different.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a different tone

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: towards normal films

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: because, yeah,

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: like you see

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: in your synopsis,

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: it is kind of a comedy.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's quite strange.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It is quite strange.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a third movie

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: by Wes Craven

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: that we're doing

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: on the pod,

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I think,

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: after The Serpent

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and the Rainbow

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and Shocker

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: that we did

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: with Melinda.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's very different

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: to all of those movies.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there are

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: certain aspects of it

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: that does feel

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: quite scream,

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Nightmare on Elm Street,

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: just the kind of

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_02]: almost slasher element

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: that it has

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: at times.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah,

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: for the most part,

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: it felt to me

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: like I was watching

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Home Alone

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_02]: meets Die Hard.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: With cannibalism.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's,

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah,

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know,

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: it's quite a strange

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: setup.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I did really love

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: the premise of it.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You have to get used

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_04]: to the tone.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're going in

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_04]: expecting something

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_04]: that's going to terrify you

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_04]: like a Nightmare on Elm Street,

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: you're not going

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_04]: to get that.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It is very much

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: a satire.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's very much

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_04]: cartoonish

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_04]: in its approach.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_04]: you're meant to take

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_04]: any of it

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_04]: particularly seriously.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's fairly

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: lightweight

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's very

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_04]: 90s.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Everything does look

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_04]: very much like a set.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not the grittiest

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_04]: of films.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean,

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: it was that bad

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_02]: set-wise

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and production-wise.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: great to see

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: something set

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: in this kind of

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: urban ghetto

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: black community.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not expect

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: that from Wes Craven.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Even in just

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: horror in general,

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: it just felt like

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: we haven't really

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: seen this

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: that much.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: All the main

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: characters are black

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: or the good

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: characters,

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess,

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: in inverted commas.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And the leaders

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: of Child

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: as well,

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like Brandon

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Quinton Adams

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: as Fool.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It did feel

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: very 90s

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: comedy,

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: violence

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: as comedy

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: as well,

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: which was

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: very 90s.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: of Home Alone

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and other movies

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: like

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Dennis the Menace

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: or like

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Problem Child,

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: all these kind of

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_02]: really silly

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: comedies

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: with violence

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: for comedy

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: where these people

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: are getting

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: quite hurt.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's funny.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But in this movie,

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: people are getting

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: very hurt.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: people die.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: People are getting

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: killed

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and cut up.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's quite strange

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: pairing

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: this sort of

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: silly

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: almost kids movie

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: with

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: extreme violence

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and like

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: gratuitous

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: gore.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: some of the

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: props are

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: disgusting.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Like,

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: that is

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: horrifying

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: to see.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Ving Rames

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_04]: or Rames,

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I've never been

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_04]: sure how you're

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: meant to pronounce

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_04]: his surname.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: He does die

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: in this movie,

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: spoilers,

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and he's

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_04]: butchered

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and fed

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_04]: to people.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it's quite

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: graphic

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: when he's

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: getting butchered

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: up and

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_02]: pieces of him

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: are getting

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: thrown

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: to the

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: people

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: under the

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: stairs.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah,

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: going back

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to the

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: premise,

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: so you've

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: got this

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: neighborhood

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that's

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: being

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: gentrified,

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well,

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: this family

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: owns a lot

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of properties

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: on this

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: neighborhood

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and kind

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: of purposely

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: evicting

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: or trying

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: to evict

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: people.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So you've

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: got Fall

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and his

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: family

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: getting evicted

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and so

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: to get

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: money,

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: know why

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: this was

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: the best

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: option.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: To get

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: money,

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: they decide

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to rob

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: landlords

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: because

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: they stumble

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: upon a

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: treasure map

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: of gold

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that the

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: landlords

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: have.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: going to

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: rob their

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: own

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: landlord

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: so that

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: they can

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: pay for

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: the rent

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to not

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: be evicted

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_02]: by said

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: landlord.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So they

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: go into

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the house

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and oh

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: no,

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: landlords

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: are not

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: your usual

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: people.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They are

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: a brother

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and sister

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: cannibal

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: couple.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They abduct

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: children to

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: be their

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: child and

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: if they're

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: not behaving,

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: they cut

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: their tongues

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: off and

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: just store

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: them in

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the basement

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: under the

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: stairs,

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: which is

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: quite an

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: odd

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: premise.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So they've

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_02]: amassed all

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of these

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: boys that

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: are no longer

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: boys under

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the stairs.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They feed

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: bits of

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: other people

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_02]: that happen

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: to come to

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: the house,

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: salesmen

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and Mormons,

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Boy Scouts,

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: goodness

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: knows what.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And they

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: kill them

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and feed

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: them and

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: also eat

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: them.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty much

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the movie

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: felt like

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: diehard.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Essentially,

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: you've got

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Fool trapped

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: in the

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: house trying

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: to escape

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and also

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: defeat the

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: bad people.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And he

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: also happens

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: upon Alice,

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: who's a

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: daughter that

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: they've adopted

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: or kidnapped

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: really.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_06]: It's an

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_04]: premise.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah,

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: it is.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And at

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_04]: one point

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Fool escapes

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_04]: the house

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and goes

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: back to

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_04]: rescue Alice.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_04]: after he's

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: free and

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: clear,

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_04]: which shows

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_04]: amazing

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: fortitude for

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_04]: a terrified

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_04]: 13-year-old.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean,

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_04]: the whole

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: thing,

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: as you say,

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: it doesn't

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: seem like

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: the logical

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_04]: choice to

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_04]: break into

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_04]: your landlord's

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_04]: house to

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_04]: steal money

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: from them,

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: to pay the

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_04]: rent to

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: them.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It has

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_04]: a wonderful

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Robin Hood

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_04]: style poetic

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_04]: justice

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_04]: to it.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And the

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_04]: film does

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_04]: feel like

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and Wes

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Craven did

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_04]: refer to

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_04]: it as

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: a fairy

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: tale.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And I

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_04]: love that

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_04]: the movie

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_04]: opens during

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_04]: the main

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_04]: titles with

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: a tarot

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_04]: card reading

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: from

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Fool's.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Is it

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_04]: his sister

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Ruby

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Williams

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_04]: played by

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Kelly Jo

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Minter?

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah,

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_04]: so.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah,

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Kelly Jo

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Minter from

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Nightmare

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: on Elm Street

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_04]: 5,

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_04]: oddly enough.

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_04]: She's doing

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: a tarot

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: reading over

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: the opening

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_04]: titles and

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_04]: is sort

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: of predicting

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_04]: what's going

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: to happen

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_04]: to Fool

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: for his

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: 13th

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: birthday and

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_04]: it sort

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_04]: of predicts

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_04]: what's going

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_04]: to happen

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_04]: with these

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: archetypal

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: figures of

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: death and

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: so on.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: They're sort

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: of going

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_04]: into a

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_04]: house following

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: a treasure

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: map to

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_04]: get an

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_04]: ogre's

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: gold and

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: the ogres

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: are these

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_04]: rich white

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: people who

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: are insane

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and there's

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_04]: a dog

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_04]: that's called

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Prince,

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: you've got

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Alice who's

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: like Alice

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_04]: in Wonderland

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_04]: in her

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: lovely big

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_04]: dress and

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah the

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: whole thing

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: does feel

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_04]: like it's

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: a fairy tale.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah,

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_04]: you're right.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_04]: R-rated

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: fairy tale.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: it wouldn't

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: have been

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: as much

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: of a

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: cult

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: following

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: without

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: the gore

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: horror aspect

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: of it.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: take that

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: out it

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: seems like

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: quite a

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: silly movie

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but with

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: that in

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: it does

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: step it

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: up a lot.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty sure

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: that actor

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Brandon

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Quentin

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Adams

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: wouldn't

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: have been

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: allowed

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: to watch

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: this movie

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: for many

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: years

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: because

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: it's

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: so violent

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and so

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: gory.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: He went

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: to the

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_04]: premiere

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_04]: he claims

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: in the

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_04]: commentary.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Did he?

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: act structure

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: wise it's

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: classic

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Wes Craven

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: of you're

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: killing

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: characters

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: big main

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: characters

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: like

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Finn

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Rames

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_02]: is a

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: big name

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: actor

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe not

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: so much

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: at the

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: time

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: but like

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you know

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: he was

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: in the

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Mission

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Impossible

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: movies later

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: on in

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the 90s

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and 2000s

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and a

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: lot of

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: much bigger

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: movies

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: bringing

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: out the

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: dead

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Dawn of

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Dead

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: in 2004

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and then

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: you kill

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: him off

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: like not

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: far into

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the movie

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: he's killed

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: off in

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: like what

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: 20 minutes

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and then

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you're left

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: for the

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: child

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: as the

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: lead

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_02]: character

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: through the

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: movie

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: which is

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: completely

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: unexpected

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and also

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the fact

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that he

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: does escape

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the house

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and then

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: go back

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: is another

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: thing that

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I just

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: did not

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: expect as

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: well

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: so there's

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: of

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: parts

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of this

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: movie

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_02]: that

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: aren't

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: cliche

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: at all

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: it goes

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: against

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: structure

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: to me

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: an interesting

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: choice of

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_04]: protagonists

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: too

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: because

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_04]: apart from

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: being

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: black

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: as you

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: pointed out

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: not common

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_04]: you know

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: a black

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: actor would be

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_04]: cast as a

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: sidekick

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that died

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_04]: first

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_04]: was the

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: common

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: cliche

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: in this

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: kind

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: of the

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: movie

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: now

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Leroy

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: does

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_04]: die

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: first

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: oh no

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: he doesn't

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: actually

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Spencer

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: does

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the white

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_04]: guy

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: dies

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: first

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: not

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the black

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: guy

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_04]: no

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that's

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_04]: right

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_04]: no matter

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: how well

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: meaning

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: or noble

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: the adults

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_04]: might be

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_04]: you know

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Leroy is

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_04]: trying to

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: take

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: fool

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: under his

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_04]: wing

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and teach

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_04]: him the

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_04]: ways of

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_04]: the world

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and protect

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_04]: him

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_04]: he shouts

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: run

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_04]: fool

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: before he

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: dies

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_04]: it's

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: really

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: the kids

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: that are

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: the heroes

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: of this

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_04]: story

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: like a

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Goonies

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_04]: adventure

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_04]: almost

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: which

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_04]: this

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: reminded

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: me of

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: yes

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Goonies

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: hunt for

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: treasure

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: very

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: very much

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: an adventure

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: into

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the unknown

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: of this

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: house

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: which is

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: like a

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: labyrinth

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: crawl space

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: rooms

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and hidden

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: passageways

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: when they

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: go into

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the basement

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the stairs

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: like retracts

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: into this

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_02]: slide ramp

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: thing that

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: felt very

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Goonies

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: as well

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: but also

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the villains

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_02]: are great

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: they're almost

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: quite silly

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and cartoonish

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: there was

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: someone

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: from something

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yes

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_02]: but yes

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Everett McGill

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and Wendy

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Robbie

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: are from

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Twin Peaks

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: that's how they

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: got the roles

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: for this movie

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: right

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: not so much

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: it was both

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: of them

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Wes Craven

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: claims

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: that he

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: didn't

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: realise

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: that he

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: was

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: reuniting

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: a famous

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_04]: couple

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_04]: oh really

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: from Twin Peaks

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: he claims

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_04]: he did it

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: by accident

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_04]: okay

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_04]: he just

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: loved

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_04]: both

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: of them

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_04]: so they

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_04]: played

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Ed and

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Nadine Hurley

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_04]: in Twin Peaks

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Nadine

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_04]: played by

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Wendy Robey

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: being particularly

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_04]: memorable as the

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: eyepatch wearing

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Nadine

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: who's

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: just sort of

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_04]: a neat

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: freak

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and obsessed

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: and slightly

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: strange

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_04]: whereas Ed

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: was sort of

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: a sympathetic

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: character

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_04]: who was

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_04]: in love

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_04]: with the

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_04]: lady that

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: ran the

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: diner

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I think

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: if I remember

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: rightly

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_04]: he was

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: he was

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_04]: trying to

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: get away

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: from his

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: marriage

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_04]: because he'd

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: fallen in

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: love with

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: somebody

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: so it was

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: quite a sad

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_04]: tale

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_04]: right

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: whereas here

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Everett

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: McGill

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: is just

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: like

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: balls

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_04]: to the

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: wall

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_04]: insane

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: as well

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_04]: with his

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_04]: like

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: slick back

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Nazi

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: youth

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: hairstyle

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and his

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_04]: gimp suit

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and his

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: desperation

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_04]: to shoot

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and maul

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_04]: everything

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: quite

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: terrifying

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: their dynamic

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: is

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: it is

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: really

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: entertaining

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_02]: to watch

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: because his

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: character

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: is

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: he's almost

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: simple

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_02]: in how

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: he kind

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: of reacts

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: to things

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: like

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: mommy

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: or the

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: woman

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: they don't

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: even have

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: names

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: in the

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: movie

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Wendy

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Robey's

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: character

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: she's much

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_02]: more

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: clued

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: on

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and smarter

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: but also

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: hysterical

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: at the same

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: time

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: just yelling

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_02]: things

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Everett McGill

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: is definitely

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the muscle

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of the

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and does

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: all the

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: violence

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and shooting

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_02]: gimps

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and wearing

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: which doesn't

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: make any sense

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: what the choice

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_02]: for that was

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: no

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: probably wasn't

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: a high point

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: of his career

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it does

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: go balls to the

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: wall

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but I do think

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: two other aspects

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: of the movie

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: are very important

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: you've got the

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: dog

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: prince

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: who is very

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: much another

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: character

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: in the house

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and also

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the house

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: like the house

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: felt like

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_02]: another character

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: with all the

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: maze of

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: passageways

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: well

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: craven talks

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_04]: about the house

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_04]: as being

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_04]: a personification

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: of the human

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: psyche

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_04]: you know

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_04]: like the basement

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: is sort of

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: the subconscious

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and then

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: everything you hide

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_04]: rots and

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: undermines

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: the foundations

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: of who you are

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_04]: he was very keen

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_04]: on showing

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the rotten

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_04]: underbelly

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_04]: of the

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_04]: suburban

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: white

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_04]: middle class

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_04]: society

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_04]: particularly

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: there's obviously

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: some sort of

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: social commentary

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: with white

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: owning

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: land

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the lower

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02]: like working

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: class

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: like black

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: community

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: latino community

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: under

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: these

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_02]: white

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: supreme

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: beings

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_02]: there's

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: there is

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: some sort

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: of commentary

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: going

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_04]: there's

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_04]: a huge

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: ladle

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_04]: full of

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_04]: commentary

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_04]: this is

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_04]: probably

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the most

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: outright

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: satirical

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: piece

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Craven

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_04]: ever did

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: almost

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: a parody

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_04]: conservatism

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Everett McGill's

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_04]: character

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_04]: uses the

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_04]: n-word

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_04]: when

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: describing

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: the black

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: characters

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_04]: in the

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_04]: movie

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_04]: there's

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that wonderful

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: moment

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: where

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_04]: mommy

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_04]: says

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_04]: something

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_04]: about

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_04]: it feels

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: like

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: we're

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: prisoners

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and the

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: criminals

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: are roaming

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_04]: the streets

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_04]: free

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_04]: it's

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: very much

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: a solid

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: criticism

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Reaganism

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: late

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: stage

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_04]: capitalism

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: greed

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: is

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: good

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_04]: era

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_04]: instead

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_04]: shifts

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: perspective

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: onto

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: people

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_04]: who've

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: been

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: left

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: behind

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_04]: which

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: is

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: really

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: because

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: it

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: comes

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: from

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: same

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: stable

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_04]: films

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_04]: alive

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: films

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: which

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: gave

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_04]: John

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Carpenter

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_04]: a two

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: picture

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: deal

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_04]: and they

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: got

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_04]: final

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: cut

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: could

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: do

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: whatever

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: they

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_04]: want

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_04]: so

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Wes

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_04]: did

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: shocker

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: people

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: under

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: stairs

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: John

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Carpenter

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: did

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Prince

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: darkness

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_04]: which

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: we've

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: done

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: on

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: this

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: pod

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: as

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: well

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: they

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_04]: live

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: which

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: we

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_04]: haven't

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: yet

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_04]: we

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_04]: may

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_04]: well

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: they

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: live

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: is

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: famous

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: for

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_04]: being

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: a very

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_04]: searing

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: commentary

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_04]: about

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: capitalism

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: people

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: who

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: are

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04]: in

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04]: charge

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: again

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: centres

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: perspective

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: on

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_04]: people

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: who've

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: been

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: left

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: behind

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_04]: in

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: this

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: case

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: homeless

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_04]: people

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: one

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: aspect

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: of

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: movie

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: felt

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: there

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: should

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: have

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: been

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: more

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: emphasis

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: on

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: was

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: people

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: under

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: stairs

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: they're

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: free

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_02]: now

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: you

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: yes

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: you

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: do

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: have

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: character

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: of

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Roach

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: though

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: who

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: helps

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: out

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: full

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: then

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: again

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: he's

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: killed

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: off

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: fairly

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: soon

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: was

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_02]: shocked

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: by

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: thought

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: he

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: was

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: going

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: to be

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: much

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: more

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: of

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: a

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: main

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: character

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: but

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: killed

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: off

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: too

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: soon

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Sean

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Whelan

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: actor

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: who

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: plays

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Roach

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_04]: talks

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: about

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: fact

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_04]: that

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: people

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_04]: often

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: come up

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: to him

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: at

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: conventions

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and so

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: on

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and talk

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_04]: about

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_04]: how much

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: they

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: loved

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_04]: character

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Roach

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and he

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_04]: thinks

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_04]: that's

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_04]: because

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_04]: he's

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: defying

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: bad

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: guys

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_04]: with

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: a

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: kind

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_04]: glee

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and love

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_04]: mischief

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and also

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_04]: of course

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: his

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: self

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_04]: sacrifice

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: but he

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_04]: considers

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Roach

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: much more

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: of a

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: catalyst

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: than a

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: character

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: because

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_04]: he isn't

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_04]: in it

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and yet

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: he's so

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: memorable

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: because

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: the image

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: of him

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_04]: was one

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: of the

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: publicity

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_04]: stills

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_04]: that got

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: used

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: you know

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: alongside

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_04]: all the

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_04]: reviews

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[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the people

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[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_04]: because

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[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: the only

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[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: you really

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: get to

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: see

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_04]: the rest

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: of them

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: are just

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_04]: bargain

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_04]: basement

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_04]: if you'll

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_04]: excuse

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_04]: the pun

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_04]: yes

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: zombie

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: characters

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_04]: with white

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_04]: faces

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_04]: and long

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_04]: hair

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_04]: of course

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_04]: the resolution

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_04]: of the

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: movie

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_04]: is

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: all of

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: these

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_04]: people

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that have

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_04]: been

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_04]: repressed

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_04]: by these

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_04]: landowning

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_04]: gentrifying

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_04]: monsters

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: burst out

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: of the

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: walls

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and burst

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_04]: out

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: through

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: stairs

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and hold

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: of their

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_04]: nemesis

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_04]: at the

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_04]: end

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_04]: so they

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: are dragged

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: down

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_04]: by the

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_04]: people

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_04]: under the

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: stairs

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: at the

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: end

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_04]: of it

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_04]: they are

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_04]: much more

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: of a

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: MacGuffin

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: than

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_04]: characters

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: or something

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_04]: that's

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_04]: personified

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Fall

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: isn't

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: really

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: into

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: movie

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: they're

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: they're

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: there

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: they're

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: not

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: really

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a big

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: part

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: of

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: movie

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_04]: no

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_04]: you

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: just

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: get the

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: sense

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: that

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: there

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: is

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: a

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: threat

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: normally

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: in

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_04]: this

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: type

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: of

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: movie

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: monster

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: in

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: basement

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: would

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04]: be

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04]: the

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04]: threat

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. But instead of the white suburban family with the outside alien thing attacking them in some way, which would have been everything from the 50s and 60s and 70s and 80s.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: This inverts that the white suburban people are the monsters and the people under the stairs are the victims.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But you only learn that once you get to know them as the film progresses and you realise that all of the things that make them horrifying are actually the results of the abuse that they've had to endure.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's the complete opposite of Wes Craven's previous two movies along these lines.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So Last House on the Left and The Hills Have Eyes very much have evil families preying upon the suburban middle class people.

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_04]: So this, which sort of feels like an unofficial third in a trilogy, actually inverts the two cultures completely.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It does. It does. Yeah. And sort of the deformed people in this movie are not the bad guys.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_04]: No, they're not. So that's something that was pointed out to Wes Craven and it's not something that was intentional.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It was just something that happened, but he can definitely, or he said he could definitely see that that was there.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, going back to the premise of intruders going into a house and the intruders not being the bad guys, the homeowners being the bad guys.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of like the earliest movie I've seen of that sort of set up.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm thinking of like Don't Breathe.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_02]: There's even a movie called Intruders in 2015 where they try to rob this place and it turns out that the homeowners are not so nice.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So this kind of set up, this is the earliest iteration of that I've seen.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's quite groundbreaking.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of things in this movie that I didn't expect that.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Even at the end when you have the whole neighborhood turning up to sort of protest the takeover of their community.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It was unexpected again, having his sister, full sister turning up and confronting daddy.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Full blows up because he does find all of their money.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_04]: They do have a pot of gold.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And he blows it up.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_04]: The money flies up in the air.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And so the ending is the community sort of leaping about grabbing the money because full has made it rain.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's almost very Fight Club in a way.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's quite anarchic as a finale.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And you've got the people on the stairs just wandering out into the world.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my God.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not good.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_04]: They need some serious therapy.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's time for Random Trivia.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Dan, what wonderful piece of trivia did you find in the basement of your neighbor's house today?

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So I did read this in IMDb, so I hope it's real.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But the coin that Full pulls out of Spencer's hand is a real gold coin.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's known as an American gold eagle and contains one ounce of 22 karat gold and would have been worth approximately $708 in 1991, which is adjusted for inflation in 2024.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: About $1,500.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Just that one coin.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They had quite a big stack of them as well.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So another movie using real money.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: As a prop after Shellagrave.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_04]: So they weren't fake ones.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, the one coin that Full pulls.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not all of them.

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the other ones.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say the Scrooge McDuck room that they're all wallowing around in.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably not.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't think so.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's our trivia.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess we should talk about the music.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of strings.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of sort of 80s, I think, drum machines or synthy tones.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I did notice in the credits as well, there's a piece by Christoph Penderecki, The Trinity for the Victims of Hiroshima, which I studied at high school.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So it felt very familiar.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like that was put in there because how do you pronounce that composer's name?

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I've always said Penderecki because I'm an imbecile.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I don't know.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I think in high school we would pronounce it Penderecki.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that sounds better.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: So there was a lot of Penderecki in The Shining.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it was.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it became known as horror music or classy horror modernist classical music.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a feeling that the main credited composer's score, so this is Don Peake, who seems to be mainly working with synthesizers.

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds very much like low budget synthesizer horror music from the late 80s.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I have a feeling that it wasn't good enough.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the Penderecki is needle drops being put in after the fact to replace Don Peake's score.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And I noticed there is a credit at the end of the movie for additional music by Graham Revell, who is a much more successful composer.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I suspect that he came in.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He's a New Zealand composer who we came across on Dead Calm.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Ah.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And he also worked on things like The Crow and The Craft and Freddy vs. Jason, ironically enough.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think some of the orchestral stuff that you can hear was additional injection of cash and effort to try and spice up some of the film.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Because a lot of it is just noodling synth tones and drum beats.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't mind it.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The sort of 80s jarring drum machine stuff.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of liked it.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was dissonant, atonal and abrasive as well.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it kind of suited the sort of more chaotic scenes with Daddy running around, shooting a shotgun at all the walls.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there was one scene when the police, so Fool calls the police on the house saying there's been child abuse or whatever.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And the police don't see anything, which I like, surely there's at least one wall.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Got a hole in it.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Peppered with shotgun blasts.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, yeah, I didn't mind the score for this movie.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yes, the string parts were kind of the best parts.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: They were very unnerving, lots of sort of glissandy, lots of sort of weird, eerie tones with strings that made it very, very creepy.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Unusual playing techniques, the sort of thing Penderecki was famous for.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you look at the score, I mean, even now it would be considered very experimental.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no bars, really.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no notes.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It will just be like a block.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So you just have to play a note within this block of notes.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It looks interesting to play.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And every performance, I guess, is completely different.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Every performance is different because it's how you interpret what you read.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And also the tempo is not set.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like metered, really.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's a mixed bag, I think, the soundtrack.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think the quality of the movie, the production elements, I think, is mixed to, I mean, certainly the special effects.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Some of them are pretty juicy and detailed and disgusting.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_04]: But also some of them are quite fake and rubbery looking, I think.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, the severed hand at one point.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one thing we should really talk about is the comedy aspect of the movie.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It does not unbalance the tone.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the sort of thing you would see in this movie, so much comedy.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a surprise, isn't it?

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Did Praven do anything much like it?

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously, the Scream franchise is sort of a horror comedy.

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It's very knowing in any case.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And there are a lot of funny lines in it.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's meta, yeah, for sure.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think this movie's trying to be meta, though.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it is really leading into the 90s comedy for violence.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But just, like, moments where they get electrocuted at one point because the door handle had been electrified.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And a fool gets electrified at one point, and then he realizes this is the only way to get, or to overpower the dog.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Prince the dog has attacked Leroy.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And the only way to overpower the dog is for fool to pull Leroy with dogs still attached to the front door, grab the handle, and then they all get electrified.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a very, like, home alone moment where it's very funny and silly and goofy.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And they all go, grrr, and get electrocuted.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very silly.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: At one point, fool punches daddy in the balls.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, felt very home alone.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it does.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: The whole movie does.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's interesting, though, because even though the performances are dialed up to 11, I mean, it's not subtle.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_04]: None of it is subtle.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It's still disturbing.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, particularly the scenes with AJ Langer's character, Alice, where she's being tormented by mummy.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And scolded in the bath.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And Alice is just screaming and terrified and sobbing.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So at the same time as it being sort of pitched at a level where you can't take it seriously at all, it still gets the point across how disturbing it is that these two people are trying to create this vision of the perfect 1950s white suburban upper middle class family.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And will do it at any cost, no matter how much they have to damage everybody involved in order to achieve it when the vicar comes around for tea and biscuits.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's savage satire, very disturbing.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But also funny.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the comedic elements of the movie didn't feel out of place once you kind of got used to it.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they kill a dog in the movie and it's heartbreaking.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the prince is supposed to be the vicious guard dog that they're trying to get away from.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But I still felt incredibly sad in that scene.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because it's not really Prince's fault that he's been praised by these two people.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and there is a lot of tragedy in it.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Roach's death, I think one of the reasons why people fondly remember Roach is because his death is so sad.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Because it is an act of self-sacrifice.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And he seems like quite a lovely guy for a tongueless, pale weirdo who lives in the walls.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the main two child actors, great.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So Fall and Alice, the characters.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And their sort of arc as well, I really enjoyed.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So Fall is kind of portrayed as being scared at the start.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he doesn't want to rob the house.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want to follow Leroy upstairs.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Leroy calls him girlfriend at one point or something.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So he kind of overcomes his fears and stands up.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He stops running at one point.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, I want to stand up to myself.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Stand up to the dog and the homeowners.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And you've also got Alice with a very similar arc.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: She's scared.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: She's compliant.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't talk when she's not spoken to.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But then at the end, she does stand up to mummy and fights back.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And is the only reason that mummy gets taken down at the end as well.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Alice drops from the ceiling.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So I did love those characters.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_04]: The children getting the strength to overcome the evil conservative.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Overlords.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It is satisfying.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Particularly what I found fascinating is in an interview with AJ Langer,

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_04]: she was talking about how what she recognizes in that character now,

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_04]: what she was playing.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, she was only 17 at the time.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: So obsequious.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: line yes clearly and craven himself was raised as a fundamentalist baptist i believe oh so this is

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: something that he is weaving into it quite deliberately and it just put me in mind of a

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_04]: friend of ours from hit record tia levings right she's just had her book published a well-trained

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_04]: wife about her escape from being married in a very abusive relationship in a sort of fundamentalist

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_04]: environment so yeah she's talked about how she had to behave in a certain way was trained to behave

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_04]: in a certain sort of way in order to just to get by to sort of escape the wrath of her oppressor and

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah i find that really fascinating the way she plays it and yeah it's really satisfying to see

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: her stand up at the end and overcome all of it it's great yeah yeah i mean you did mention the sort of

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: fairy tale aspect like she is kind of the princess that needs to be saved yeah but then she kind of

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: saves herself she's the one that overcomes mummy and stabs her in the end she doesn't need fool to

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_04]: help her he's busy with daddy no and she saves fool right at the very beginning yeah that's true

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_04]: that is true yeah so it's a great partnership between the two of them and an unlikely one again

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_04]: not something that you would see necessarily in this period of cinema certainly not in the

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_02]: mainstream anyway no i mean they're children yeah as well yeah yeah and just like little details as

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: well how she makes these dolls like she she leaves them lying around and pulls them on a string to

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_02]: guide them where to go all the secret passageways but they're they're like voodoo replicas of him and

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: spencer and yeah all the people who've died in the house yeah yeah it's a bit sick isn't it is it a way

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_04]: to keep them alive for her because she has no companions i don't know yeah something like that

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not really explained it's a bit of adr there's a lot of adr in the movie which is a bit sad there is

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: it doesn't take me out no it's not too bad yeah a lot of fools lines are adiared and same with ellis i think

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_04]: as well yeah a lot of explanations like i noted down at one point fool says i'm gonna get that shotgun

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and set those kids free because they got to the edit suite and realized it wasn't clear what he was

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_04]: doing i guess because he's not on screen and his lips aren't moving when that line comes out yeah

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah yeah sure coming to you live from the movie oubliet theater it's the prestigious

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: moobly award hello it's everyone's favorite part of the pod the moobly awards where we nominate our

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: most loved flesh-tearing cannibalistic parts of the film in a number of buckshot riddled categories

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_04]: best quote my favorite quote in this movie is one from fool and it comes from the moment when he

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_04]: discovers the huge scrooge mcduck pile of money in a room it's all true the coins the cash the greed

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: this family is just a mass this huge amount of wealth but it doesn't make them happy and they

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_04]: live in some grotty dilapidated mansion but never mind and fool says no wonder there's no money in the

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: ghetto yes it's all here it is it is uh yeah and bernie sanders would agree the one percent have

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: squandered it all yes uh my favorite quote is also from fool it's it's towards the start of the movie

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: actually when he's talking to his mum um who has cancer or something she's very sick yeah and he says

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_02]: one day i'm i'ma buy you a cadillac for each foot mama and you're gonna skate around town looking so bad

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_02]: i just love that the imagery of having a cadillac on each foot it's great yeah it's really lavish yeah

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: cadillacs for shoes yeah yeah yeah best hair or costume we can't not mention the gimp suit um

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah i mean it's gotta be the gimp suit it's pretty standout it comes out of nowhere because

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: you think he's just a normal bad guy that beats children but then then he pops out in full leathers

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: like i mean i'm talking full coverage here oh yeah phasing everything with a shotgun and and the

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the studs metal studs all over as well it's like okay this is happening but yeah it's yeah

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_04]: it's memorable for sure oh it definitely is i didn't even know who it was first time i watched

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_04]: the movie i thought what is this is this like a leather face type of character that they've

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_04]: got chained up in the basement or something because i it was so young and innocent i didn't

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_04]: know what a gimp was yeah and then of course ving rames wouldn't escape gimps because the

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_04]: very next movie he did pulp fiction oh it was a gimp again yeah yeah of course 90s was the year of

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the gimp it seemed yeah yeah most 90s moment i thought the thing that most dated this movie was

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_04]: news footage of the bombing of baghdad oh desert storm yeah 17th of january 1991 alongside i think you

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_04]: hear like a cheesy prime time soap opera and then the military bombing baghdad so i thought that was

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_04]: you know quite a nice encapsulation of sort of what was on the television sure war being waged against

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_04]: another country probably for no reason no good reason yeah and some cheesy soap opera about a

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_04]: bunch of affluent because it sounds sort of like it's dallas or dynasty oh yeah yeah yeah the lives of

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the rich and fickle it's so i thought as an encapsulation of 90s culture you can just hear

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_04]: that on the television and it feels very pointed that it's being included yeah yeah yeah yeah yes uh

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: 90s i mean the most obvious would be comedy violence which was very much a 90s thing with home alone

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_02]: dennis menace baby's day out mouse hunt problem child oh yeah even like little rascals all these little

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: kids just like causing havoc and all the adults get hurt badly yeah it's very true favorite scene

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: so it kind of veers into comedy but there's a scene where they're in the walls we've got fall

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and alice i think uh and they're trying to escape prince so the i do love how the dog they just kind of

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_02]: shove the dog in in places that they can't fit and the dog does all the dirty work so the dog is

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_02]: chasing them through the walls and then there's a there's a trap door that fall manages to find and

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_02]: pull and then the dog slides down it on a tray oh also they lure the dog to the trap door with one of the

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_02]: plushy toys um that the rag dolls that alice makes and so the dog grabs it like a dog toy falls down the

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_02]: trap door on a slide on the sort of tray it slides down it and ends up in the kitchen with with mommy

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and daddy and just the look on the dog's face where when he sort of emerges with the toy in his mouth

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like oh it's like even ferocious dogs are just puppies at heart they just they just want a

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_04]: little bit of a play yeah he's just trying to please them isn't he poor little guy

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_04]: favorite scene for you my favorite scene was the finale when alice finally stood up to her mother and

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_04]: the people under the stairs burst through the stairs and the walls to take down their oppressors i

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: thought this is a really satisfying end yeah like almost real as well because you've got them literally

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: bursting out of the floorboards through the walls through stairs it's like nightmare material but in a

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: in a satisfying good way because the bad guys are getting taken down yeah most cliche moment i mean

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: for me cliche would be creepy basements of course don't go into the basement

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah although it's an inverted cliche because actually the basement is the safest place to be

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah that's true yeah yeah yeah yeah cliche for you the biggest cliche for me is the property

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_04]: developer is evil because ever since mr potter and it's a wonderful life from 1946

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_04]: the guy that's trying to develop property or buy property or squander property is always evil or slimy

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_04]: so lex luther in superman causes an earthquake just to open new beachfront property there's the

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_04]: property guys mentioning the goonies again the developers that are going to take away their whole

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_04]: town in poltergeist they moved the headstones but they didn't move the bodies and just built houses

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_04]: over the graveyard batteries not included has got evil property developers trying to run an elderly

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_04]: couple out of their home right in the 80s and early 90s property developers were just scum yeah yeah yeah

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_04]: best special effect my favorite special effect is roach's tongue stump i was gonna say that too

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_04]: it's it's horrifying i didn't want to see that no and i love that he sort of moves his finger up and

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_04]: down to show that it's missing and he accidentally catches his finger on it yeah as he's doing it and

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: it sort of springs back up oh you it's horrible it's horrible yeah it looks rotten yeah favorite

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: sound effect sound for me it's just like a general sort of overview of the movie rather than a specific

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_02]: sound effect but i did like how they use sound to represent the people under the stairs so you've

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: got full kind of following noises and you have the camera sort of panning across and yeah it did it did

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_02]: really work in terms of creating the sense of oh there are other beings in this house yeah i love

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_04]: the echoey voices of the people yeah that's why it's quite spooky yeah sean whalen also mentioned

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_04]: in his interview that when he took his friends to the premiere he was really excited it was his first

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_04]: movie where he was like in the main cast yeah sure and every time they heard him going

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_04]: in the background they were laughing and he couldn't figure out why and they told him afterwards it's

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_04]: because it's the same noise that he used to make when he was hung over oh really

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_04]: it just sounded like he was drunk oh no yeah poor guy uh my favorite is harkens back to our episode

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_04]: on equilibrium it's the doggy vocalizations which i think must be a voice actor because they're too

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of emotionally specific in a couple of places particularly when fool punches prince what you

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_04]: hear on the soundtrack is sort of oh he's he's really disappointed yeah yeah most funniest moment

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_04]: you've mentioned my funniest moment already which is when fool deliberately electrocutes himself

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and leroy in order to electrocute prince the dog and the reason for me that it's really funny is when

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_04]: you get that three shot of all of them sort of like jerking in a comedic way because they're being

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_04]: electrocuted look closely that is clearly a puppet dog head that is on thing raymies that's got like

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_04]: these big buggy eyes and this lolling tongue that's being shaken up oh wow at the edge of the frame and

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_04]: it's hilarious yeah this is so funny i watched it over and over again just to watch the dog oh i need

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: to re-watch that it's hilarious it's very funny okay yeah uh my funniest moment it's just a line

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: from fool so he's trying to convince leroy that spencer is dead and it's and he says he's dead

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_02]: leroy and scared to death and then leroy inquires are you sure in which fool replies you thought he was

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_02]: white before you should see that sucker now

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and he's very very pale when he's very white yes yes yeah yeah and that's our movie that's our movie

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_00]: hi this is tom woodruff jr and you're uh listening to movie oubliet final verdict time

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_02]: shun wes cravens the people under the stairs from 1991 be set free from the walls of the ropes and

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_02]: funeral home to be adored once again or should it be pushed down the retractable stairs

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: dumped into the meat tank of the oubliet locked away for eternity god does people under the stairs hold

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_04]: up for you well it's a curious beast this one because if you're going into it expecting a wes craven

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_04]: terrifying mind-blowing horror movie you're not going to get that it was marketed as that so i think

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_04]: people kind of thought what is this and forgot it i mean i don't think a lot of people talk about it

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_04]: now certainly not in the mainstream i was definitely disappointed the first time i saw it but then when

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_04]: i watched it again when it came out as a special edition i thought well i can appreciate all of the

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_04]: social commentary that's going on here and actually it's quite groundbreaking for centering characters

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_04]: that are usually marginalized and having them the heroes and then having the people who are usually

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_04]: the victims be the monsters in this movie and vice versa it's kind of a cheap production all of the

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_04]: sets look like sets the scores a bit of a hodgepodge of a failed don peak synthesizer score and some

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_04]: some needle drops of classical music and so you know it's a bit it's a bit ramshackle but

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a good time i mean it's it's a really funny quirky grisly slightly disturbing entertaining movie

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_04]: that you can take as just a fun fairy tale with a few laughs in it and some inventive imagery

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and then appreciate for all of the the wry social commentary that craven is making about

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_04]: the after effects of reagan's greed is good society so yeah i i still like it i think it stands up and

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_04]: i think it's even more relevant now than it was then and still a good time yes uh i would agree i

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: would agree i mean with craven like he's got such a reputation as being an amazing master of horror

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: but i apart from scream in nightmare on elm street i haven't been that impressed by this movie it's like

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_02]: we didn't have a good time with the symptoms in the rainbow or shocker well i didn't anyway um but

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_02]: this movie did really surprise me in just the premise and in the social commentary and the actors and

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_02]: location uh it's everything i didn't expect from west craven to be honest uh and i really enjoyed it i

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_02]: enjoyed the ride i enjoyed the fact that it was a bit of a collage of genres like it was horror thriller

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_02]: disturbing almost action at times yeah i loved it really really loved it and it's it's an odd movie to

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: describe to people as well because it is a bit of everything and and a movie that shouldn't really

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: work that has that sort of that many elements and genres all mashed together but it does and it's

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: got a great conclusion and i would 100% recommend this to people yeah me too yeah i loved it i thought

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_02]: it was good i think it holds up yeah i mean i would say it's one of my favorite west craven movies yeah

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: it's up there i would say with with nightmare and and scream yeah it definitely needs more praise

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_04]: well i wonder what our patrons think oh hello hal you know what time it is it feels like it's vote

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: counting time yes it is they agree with you guys they want it to escape the oubliette wow yeah

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_04]: everyone agrees it's a hundred percent across the board eddie coulter says i say let the people out of

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: the oubliette and into the daylight i love the dark fairy tale vibe and humor of the movie

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_04]: it all just blends so well together with great performances from everett mcgill and wendy roby as

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: daddy and mummy i rank the people under the stairs among craven's best films which is what you just

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_04]: said yeah jasmine said while a nightmare on elm street might be regarded by most as west craven's

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_04]: most iconic film the people under the stairs is the film that is undeniably his most fun

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_04]: and insane it needs to be released from its cellar dwelling existence so it can find the audience

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: it deserves yes yeah and chazilla said the insanity in the people under the stairs just never stops

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that performance by everett mcgill was so over the top everything he said or did was just so hammy i

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_04]: couldn't stop laughing yeah i really liked the tardis house that thing was just massive on the inside

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_04]: it had some serious rose red vibes the hallways just seemed to get bigger and longer it would

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: have to be massive inside just to have all those in between the wall passages yeah i was really

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_04]: expecting a scooby-doo hallway scene when fall was being chased by daddy yeah there are so many doors

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: zoinks yo

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: let's still gar and the people climb the stairs out of the oubliet gimp suit and all

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: yes yes so yeah it's unanimous and it's great to let one of these lesser known lesser well remembered

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: wears craven movies out of the oubliet at last yes yes yes all right be free you go people under

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_04]: the stairs okay so what's up next in our next episode conrad well we are stepping back from the

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_04]: 90s you'll be pleased to hear into the 80s again but shifting genres into a dark fantasy film directed

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: by lucio fulci conquest i i didn't even know he did fantasy i thought he just did zombie movies

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah me too and i've never seen any fulci so oh really that's bad oh that's huge gap

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: wow huge gap in my horror credentials i haven't seen a single one of his movies

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_04]: uh so my first one is going to be his sword and sandal adventure i think okay i don't think it'll be

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: a classic fulci but we will see we will see it was chosen for us by our very special guests so

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: let's see what piqued their interest yes yes okay listeners if you want to keep up to date with

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[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: i'm off to buy gimp suit bye

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_05]: it's as if we're the prisoners and the criminals roam free

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_05]: you