Carnosaur (with Serge Bodnarchuk)

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[00:00:40] Greetings listeners and welcome to Movie Oubliette, episode 159, the Continental

[00:00:45] Trevers in podcast with me Dan, living my dip era down here in Melbourne, Australia.

[00:00:51] And joining me today is the surge of cold crash pictures having all his free time taken

[00:00:58] out by a new kitten in Seattle, Washington.

[00:01:03] Yes, in this podcast we discuss heatedly over sci-fi horror and fantasy films which have

[00:01:10] been long forgotten because we love a good movie that definitely isn't ripping off a major

[00:01:15] movie franchise.

[00:01:19] So as you can hear listeners, Conrad isn't here with me today but we have as a stand-in

[00:01:25] repeat offender to the podcast and champion of sorry and encrypted cinema from the YouTube

[00:01:32] channel called Crash Pitches, it's Serge Bordachak.

[00:01:36] Hi, thanks for having me on this is very auspicious to have been asked to guest our twice

[00:01:42] in a single year.

[00:01:44] I know, I know, yes, it hasn't happened that many times with that guest but welcome back.

[00:01:49] How's the kitten going?

[00:01:51] The kittens go in great.

[00:01:54] He adopted him one week ago at the time of this recording so it will be like two weeks

[00:01:59] by the time it airs but he's just, he's an all black rag doll.

[00:02:04] So he's just a little fluffball that, yeah, he's like 90% fluff by volume and you pick

[00:02:10] him up and he just goes completely limp.

[00:02:13] But you currently have a cat as well though.

[00:02:16] Yes, I have a four and a half year old tabby who unfortunately is the introductions

[00:02:23] going slow because my four-year old tabby Thomas in has always displayed hostility towards

[00:02:31] other cats and so we're like giving each of them like things to sniff that the other

[00:02:37] would has played with and sort of letting them see each other under very controlled conditions

[00:02:42] but they have none.

[00:02:43] They have not like stood in the same room yet.

[00:02:46] Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[00:02:48] It's a slow process.

[00:02:49] It will work out completely.

[00:02:52] So what's what's in the mail back today, Dan?

[00:02:55] Well we got a message from Jasmine because we did four one of our minisodes if I wrote

[00:03:03] Stephen, pretty as if I wrote Stephen that's very strange British animated movie and because

[00:03:10] it was one that she kept recommending to do on the podcast but we decided to do as a miniser

[00:03:16] so that she said, so I remember seeing the TV trailers for this when it came out or rather

[00:03:21] the sole TV trailer and then years later she went searching for it and then she said,

[00:03:27] it wasn't until I found it on YouTube a few years ago that I've finally got to see what

[00:03:31] it was all about.

[00:03:32] I could not believe my eyes at just how awful it was like it was possibly the worst animated

[00:03:38] feature I have ever seen.

[00:03:40] Gophoringly bad in every way imaginable contains dust and likeable characters in appropriate

[00:03:46] humour, such as the awkward in New Window between Friddy and the female British agent who

[00:03:52] flashes Friddy upon first meeting him.

[00:03:56] Horrible story structure, mostly bad musical numbers and even a song and dance number

[00:04:02] featuring Nazi like soldiers and Ku Klux Klan members.

[00:04:07] Pretty much sums up that movie.

[00:04:10] It's a wild ride.

[00:04:13] Yeah I had only heard about that film through reputation while doing research on my video

[00:04:19] I did about cryptid cinema, it popped up in a list of Loch Ness Monster films and I watched

[00:04:24] the first five minutes and I was like, yeah, I don't think this really counts as a Loch Ness

[00:04:29] The last one is the one that's been watching.

[00:04:31] There is a Loch Ness Monster does feature quite probably in the film.

[00:04:37] But it's kind of like meaningless as well, yeah but yes it's a wild ride.

[00:04:44] Nick Hardy also got in touch with us and he was talking about the people on the stairs

[00:04:48] and he sees I first saw this when I was a bit too young in the early 90s I think I was maybe 13

[00:04:54] I remember it started well and we were enjoying it until my dad walked in when someone's

[00:04:59] inside would be eaten by the kids in the basement.

[00:05:02] It was then we decided to tear it off and I didn't get around finishing the movie until many years

[00:05:08] later it always seemed too scary how wrong I was in hindsight.

[00:05:13] It's an odd film that the people on this day is definitely much more of a comedy but I guess when

[00:05:18] you're a kid any girl or violates is terrifying.

[00:05:24] Yeah, you wouldn't be wrong to put it in the horror section.

[00:05:29] Yeah yeah but it is like mostly a comedy which is quite strange, totally.

[00:05:35] It also talked about if I wrote 7 and said a blast from the past I remember when the

[00:05:40] trailer for if I wrote 7 was being shown I thought it looked entertaining but didn't open at

[00:05:45] me. I finally got to see it in 1995 on VHS but it was pretty the frog vision.

[00:05:52] I have to check out the original version never thought the Snorks would be mentioned he yes I did

[00:05:58] mention the Snorks very early childhood memory of mine. I'm sure it has an age well but it was

[00:06:08] cartoons in the 90s. And lastly we hit from Wikipedia and on a comment on if I was

[00:06:17] even another bit of language detected that doesn't translate in North America I assume

[00:06:22] potplants what we call poted plants at least we're talking about marijuana. Yes we yeah I

[00:06:35] did say potplants and houseplants I guess. I would never say poted plants.

[00:06:42] Hmm so yeah an America pot plant means something very specific.

[00:06:46] All right okay I will we're afraid to say bad from that because that's not I'm growing

[00:06:53] not what I'm growing what's with it. People furiously googling marijuana laws of

[00:06:58] Melbourne. Yeah well thanks everyone from getting in touch it was wonderful to hear from

[00:07:04] all of you. All right said I guess we should move on to the movie Fort Day would you like to

[00:07:10] fit it for us? Yeah yeah I'd be happy too. Oh it's different now I got to enter a key code and

[00:07:16] like this electronic to go like enter the Urea. Yeah I think we just upgraded the security.

[00:07:22] Wow it's like it's done up like a laboratory there's all these computer screens everywhere

[00:07:27] that are all displaying the same unis logo. Oh yeah okay I found the film it's it's like embedded

[00:07:33] in this stack of oh these droopy you eat eggs oh thank god okay well okay I got it okay I'm going back

[00:07:42] out. What do you have for us today sage? I have the 1993 American sci-fi horror film

[00:07:53] carna sore written and directed by Adam Simon which is based on the novel by John Brousden

[00:08:01] writing is Harry Adam Night. It stars Diane Ladd Raphael Sparge Jennifer Ragnan Harrison page

[00:08:09] and a prominent cameo by Clint Howard brother of Ron Howard and I feel this this should not go

[00:08:15] unsaid it is produced by Roger Corbin. Yes yes yes yes so what happens in this movie that is

[00:08:23] definitely not a ripoff of dress up like well so when people start turning up gruesomely

[00:08:30] slaughtered in a remote Nevada town it's up to plucky night watchman Doc Smith to find out who or what

[00:08:36] is behind the killings. Is it a bear a cougar a bobcat or perhaps it's a genetically engineered

[00:08:43] dinanicus that escaped from a secret lab where an omnisciety scientist is busy conducting experiments

[00:08:48] to try and replace all the humans of the earth with dinosaurs. Wow this is Roger Corbin we're talking

[00:08:54] about so my money is on the ladder. Yeah all right after the break. All right and we are back to

[00:09:12] talk about kind of so I had not seen this movie but sage you are a master of siren. I guess

[00:09:20] you've seen every single dinosaur movie ever made. Well it's sort of fearsome-frician of kind

[00:09:26] of so when you watched it. So I first saw this film relatively recently just in 2021

[00:09:33] I had known about it my whole life it was one of those movies that like I would go to blockbuster

[00:09:38] as a kid and I would see the cover sitting there and I would be like oh I really want to watch

[00:09:43] this and my parents would be like it's rated our you can't and then by the time I was old enough

[00:09:49] to rent our rated films on my own volition the DVD was out of print. I'm pretty sure the

[00:09:56] last I think the last pressing was in 2003 and it's not a blu ray and it's also one of those

[00:10:02] titles that at least in the States you can't even rent it digitally on any like you can't pay

[00:10:07] like 399 on Amazon and watch it. So 2021 rolled around and I finally just paid like I think it was

[00:10:14] 40 bucks for a used DVD. Yeah and then I finally saw it. Wow you asked me what were my first

[00:10:22] impressions of it and then I told you a story about obtaining the disk but I'll tell you my first

[00:10:29] impression was not as much of a rip off of Jurassic Park as I thought it would be.

[00:10:36] Yeah yeah I mean it kind of does feel like a Jurassic Park movie the first kind of half an hour maybe

[00:10:45] but the other does deviate quite drastically. Quite a bit. To a point while I was like wow we're going

[00:10:52] there okay this is happening yeah but it was released the same year at Jurassic Park so they must have

[00:10:58] fast tractor yes knowing Jurassic Park was coming out in 1993 and I also noticed there are

[00:11:05] sequels which I didn't know about oh yeah. Like kind of as well came out 995 I'm sorry

[00:11:10] Carnival 2 came out in 1995 Carnival 3 primal species in 1996 and then they also released a

[00:11:18] Raptor movie in 2001 so that did release five dinosaur movies in the time that Jurassic Park just

[00:11:27] released the first three of the trilogy which is incredible so I'm assuming a lot of people must

[00:11:35] have watched this thinking oh it's gonna be just like Jurassic Park but really is it? It's not

[00:11:42] in either budget or frankly in the story once you're past the 30 minute mark it bears the story

[00:11:48] bears no resemblance. Yeah yeah so do you know if it's similar to the book is that how the book

[00:11:54] goes? So they changed a lot from the book and it's mostly for budgetary reasons. Sure I'm going

[00:12:01] to do this briefly summarized the book is it came out in I think 1984 written by a I believe he's

[00:12:09] in Australia and X-pat living in England at the time John Brosnan or Brosnan sorry I'm not sure

[00:12:15] how to pronounce it but so anyway the book it follows this reporter there's a string of gruesome

[00:12:20] killings in this small like English Hamlet and it is attributed to an escape Siberian tiger from

[00:12:29] private zoo owned by Lord Pennward and the reporter whose investigating starts to notice suspicious

[00:12:37] irregularities right which seemed to indicate that Lord Pennward is lying about the fact that this is just

[00:12:43] in escape Siberian tiger and so like one of the few surviving victims of the several of the many attacks

[00:12:50] is this little boy who he's in shock and so it's sort of implied that he doesn't really understand what

[00:12:56] he saw which which is his sister and mother get eaten alive by a dinonicus right and so he just

[00:13:03] he just tells the reporter he's like oh no it wasn't a tiger it was a dinosaur so so he's like okay

[00:13:09] Pennward is lying the the reporter he basically gains access he breaks into Pennward's private

[00:13:15] estate and he finds Pennward has genetically recreated all of these dinosaurs right and they

[00:13:23] escape they are actually let out and they basically the second half of the book is just all these

[00:13:30] dinosaurs running loose in this rural English village eating everybody that they come across

[00:13:36] okay and then like the military gets called in and they're basically killing the dinosaur

[00:13:41] is one by one and it circles back to like the reporter is being pursued by like the biggest of them

[00:13:47] okay so it's a whole bunch of different dinosaurs yeah not just one you're right yeah it's a lot of

[00:13:53] species a lot of different specimens and basically for the movie they're like okay well we can do two

[00:14:00] yeah I was actually confused by that because I just thought hey it's the same dinosaur just

[00:14:07] getting bigger I didn't even realize it was two different dinosaurs oh in this movie I mean it's called

[00:14:15] carno source so I thought it's just a carno source right so I was really into dinosaurs growing up

[00:14:22] I loved dinosaurs and my favorite dinosaur was the died on a kiss that was my favorite dinosaur

[00:14:27] and I wanted that dinosaur to be in Jurassic Park I mean it is yeah they've just they've repurposed

[00:14:35] the velociraptor as a die on a kiss essentially because the velociraptor isn't that big they're

[00:14:41] only like the size of chickens right they're tiny they're a little bigger than chicken but yeah yeah

[00:14:46] they're tiny like a big chicken okay yeah but not not man sized you know that's sort of thing so

[00:14:54] I was disappointed when they didn't have a dinosaur because interest apart but they have one

[00:14:59] in can it's or well they never really see it yeah certainly not you know yeah there's never

[00:15:06] a full body shot of the daynana because throughout the entire film as far as I can remember

[00:15:10] it is a puppet yeah yeah or or just like from the point of view of the dino nicus so you have

[00:15:16] this sort of night vision green filter moving very rapidly towards its victims with like a

[00:15:26] washing sound yeah you don't really see it you don't really see the dinosaurs until the T-Rex shows

[00:15:32] up which I just thought was the same dinosaur bigger I had no idea and that's as towards the end

[00:15:40] I mean one difference between this and Jurassic Pack it it's definitely a horror yeah the

[00:15:45] Jurassic Pack is elements of horror but it's I wouldn't say it was a horror film right because

[00:15:51] this feels like a horror film it feels like hey we've got a it's a creature features

[00:15:55] essentially this animal will creature dinosaur killing people yeah it's one of the few attempts at

[00:16:03] dinosaur horror that actually takes that mission seriously hmm like there are other or quote unquote

[00:16:09] are rated dinosaur films sure but they're just like sci-fi channel original movies that are

[00:16:15] are because there's like spurts of like CGI blood those are not taking themselves seriously

[00:16:20] as horror films whereas this one did um yeah one of the one of the few even to this

[00:16:25] day that that ever tried it so that's interesting yeah I mean although you don't really see

[00:16:33] much and then they yes sort of attack sequences it's more like a lot of screaming and you hear

[00:16:39] a tremendous amount of scratching sounds yes but I don't really see a lot I picture a lot

[00:16:45] of a lot of fully artists like furiously grabbing the insides of canalops yeah yes I do feel a lot

[00:16:53] of fruit were involved in the sad design for this movie so basically in in terms of the differences

[00:17:01] between the book and the movie my understanding is that 99% of the changes were for budgetary

[00:17:06] reasons so like instead of a whole miniaturie of dinosaurs over running this English village

[00:17:12] it is one dinanicus and then much later one t-rex like attacking random people parked in their car

[00:17:21] in the middle of the desert so it's like much more filmable that way yes especially in cars as

[00:17:28] so you can have that sort of wide shot with silhouettes right not show anything really that's going

[00:17:34] on uh I did find my main gripe what this movie is like a lot of very dark scenes yes that you

[00:17:44] cannot see anything just very badly lit yeah scenes and even like non-action scenes where it's like

[00:17:52] why is it so dark yes for like like the lab is just a dot cave with like maybe one or two lights

[00:18:02] and no much else yeah it's it's dark enough throughout the entire film that I wonder if it isn't

[00:18:07] an issue with the transfer that they just like it could have just been a really really cheap DVD yeah

[00:18:14] I don't know I'd be interested to see them release us on blu ray and actually do a proper scan

[00:18:20] of the negative and because like I think the um the DVD that I have isn't even in wide screen

[00:18:26] right yeah yeah so it's it's a shame that we're working with such relatively poor elements but

[00:18:31] then of course it's like for all I know they scan the original negative and it's still 4x3

[00:18:37] and just as dark and every scene yeah maybe because the um the other thing I'll say about this

[00:18:43] movie is that of course it was low budget compared to like any other monster film that was like

[00:18:50] got a theatrical release that year but it was surprisingly expensive for a Roger Corman production

[00:18:57] it had a budget I've read 800,000 and 800,000 which is cheap for a sci-fi movie

[00:19:05] yeah yeah but that was actually pretty lavish for Corman and it wasn't just the wrong number

[00:19:11] they shot the whole movie in 18 days which again lightning fast yeah wow but that's actually

[00:19:18] pretty generous for Corman and in fact yeah they shot it in 18 days but they had like six months of

[00:19:25] pre-production wow to like build everything yeah and that's pretty much where the 850,000

[00:19:30] is went just towards these two puppets right uh not not just the two puppets but they also had a uh

[00:19:36] they had a 16 foot tall T-Rex animatronic wow yeah that's huge yeah so there wasn't the

[00:19:42] ton of money involved but every dollar made it on screen yeah yeah I did hear that there was

[00:19:48] there was also like a suit as well like a dinosaur suit then a man wore but they didn't use it

[00:19:55] or they used any parts of it I'm not sure there was definitely there was a T-Rex hand puppet

[00:20:00] there was a dinonic as hand puppet and I think they had some sort of like halfway between a hand

[00:20:07] puppet and a full-sized dinonicus yeah which maybe was piloted by like a guy's torso instead

[00:20:14] of just his arm okay yeah because there's definitely one scene where it does really look like a guy

[00:20:21] walking around and it's in a dinosaur suit because it's quite inconsistent yeah every scene

[00:20:29] with the dinosaurs that's why I just thought it was one dinosaur gradually growing bigger and bigger

[00:20:34] or like versions of it just getting bigger and bigger because it just it looked different every time

[00:20:40] the first one is it's tiny size little scrappy very vicious the very vicious scrappy little thing

[00:20:49] and then it gets bigger and bigger and that scene with the the sheriff like it's like full man

[00:20:55] taller than a human sized and then you've got the the giant T-Rex at the end yeah the dinonic

[00:21:02] is does look different in every attack um one of my gripes with this film is that the dinonic has

[00:21:07] reaches it goes from hatchling to full adult in like I think it's about two days yeah yeah

[00:21:18] we should get into the plot I mean when I first started watching it I was very confused

[00:21:24] why who even was the main character because there are so many characters that kind of

[00:21:32] rifles through you've got Jane Tiptree the mad scientist yeah creates these dinosaurs and you

[00:21:39] don't really know her motivations you just think she's making genetically modified chickens

[00:21:45] but beta chickens I don't know exactly what she's trying to do yeah and then you've got the night

[00:21:50] watchman doc who is I didn't even really know what his job was like I did because they're

[00:21:58] kept kind of cutting between the the staff of the chicken farm like examining the chickens and then

[00:22:07] like taking the eggs away and it's just so many characters that was kind of flicking through

[00:22:12] yeah that I didn't even know what what the purpose of doc was and then if he was even the main

[00:22:17] character because it went through these young sort of teenagers having some joy ride

[00:22:24] and then they get attacked yeah I was confusing yeah it's the kind of film where you don't

[00:22:30] realize doc is the main character until he's like the only one you're still following after 45 minutes

[00:22:39] yeah yeah exactly at the point that he breaks into the lab which is about at the halfway point of

[00:22:46] you're like oh I guess he's the main character yeah for being such a short film it's only an hour and

[00:22:52] 23 minutes long but yeah the first half of the film is bouncing between lots of different characters

[00:22:58] who aren't so much driving the plot so much as they are um like just trying to get their bearings on

[00:23:04] what's going on yeah yeah and like the only person who seems to know what's going on is

[00:23:08] doctor tip tree the mad scientist but she's not she's also not influencing the plot at all

[00:23:15] for the first half there's a lot of shots of her setting in our laboratory like watching a lot of

[00:23:19] security feeds of what the other characters are doing it's not clear for moments a moment

[00:23:26] what she's watching them for or even what she's really after yeah yeah and like people talk about

[00:23:32] what makes this film bad because this film generally is a terrible reputation which we can get into

[00:23:37] a little later but um but like Roger Ebert called it the worst film of 1993 people hate this

[00:23:44] movie wow yeah and then but then they'll say that like well because it's a rip off of Jurassic Park

[00:23:49] in the special effects suck and I take issue with both of those points I think the issues with

[00:23:54] the film are like really basic scripting fundamentals and it's just like being unclear who the main

[00:24:01] character is being unclear on character motivations and and who's after what in any given scene

[00:24:07] and what they know and yeah that's all very messy in the first half yes I agree um because I

[00:24:15] felt it was even though things were happening and you have all these attack sequences and people

[00:24:21] getting very gruesomely killed it was kind of aimless like it didn't really have any sort of tension

[00:24:30] the agency with what the characters at all like I did know who I was following and it wasn't until

[00:24:36] sort of the second half when the second plot yeah kicks in that I thought oh I didn't know we were

[00:24:44] going in this direction hey let's let's explore this if we want to talk about the second act shift yes

[00:24:51] yeah so I mean the first the first actors it's very much yes we've got a dinosaur killing people

[00:24:58] it's pretty much a creature features flasher almost with with the with the monster

[00:25:04] the second part of the movie shifts into Dr. Tiptree revealing that she's made a viral disease

[00:25:16] that a accurately conceived woman with a dinosaur baby that they just give birth to yeah

[00:25:28] outright yeah so like there's like there's only a couple of shots throughout the first half of

[00:25:34] the movie of like oh some people are starting to like cough there yeah some people are exhibiting flu

[00:25:39] like symptoms and then at the halfway point when ostensibly our main character breaks into the lab

[00:25:46] and confronts Tiptree he's like what what do you know about what's going on she's like I am behind

[00:25:52] this illness it is a virus yeah that transforms women spontaneously into dinosaur

[00:26:01] gestation pods then that killed a woman when they give birth yes and suddenly you realize

[00:26:07] this is a different kind of film now yeah it's like imagine if at the halfway point of

[00:26:14] tremors they found out that the grabboids were spreading a virus that made people's spontaneously

[00:26:19] give birth to baby grabboids and die yeah yeah it's a different plot shift for sure

[00:26:30] it's very reminiscent of alien and aliens as well especially with that the final scene with the

[00:26:38] T-Rex and the bobcat bulldozers that feels very much like the final scene and aliens yeah

[00:26:45] with Ripley and you've got a she's best seen as well kind of well it's like it comes out

[00:26:53] of his stomach but she rips its stomach open she sure does I don't know it's yeah Diane

[00:27:00] Lads last appearance in the film is she she very calmly lays down on the floor because she

[00:27:05] has become infected with her own virus yeah and she very calmly lays down and let's this little baby

[00:27:12] dinosaur pop out of her stomach and she helps pull the wound apart yeah to help it out why do we let

[00:27:21] there is a lengthy speech that she gives about our motivations so much exposition yeah just like

[00:27:27] the biggest exposition done by iva witness on film yeah so the main character has as broken into

[00:27:33] this laboratory and he's and he's got doctor tip tree at gunpoint and he's like you explained

[00:27:37] me what's going on and she and she explains the whole thing with the escape dinosaur and she's

[00:27:42] been doing these experiments and and she and she goes on at length about how she always admired dinosaurs

[00:27:50] and thought that they were the greatest creatures that ever walked there then she despises mankind

[00:27:55] and she's like what better creature to replace mankind than the dinosaurs but the thing is she's giving

[00:28:01] a speech over several scenes and they're intercutting other scenes of people outside the laboratory

[00:28:08] going about their business and those scenes that they're intercutting are like they're taking

[00:28:12] place a day and then night and then day again and it's like and I know it's just bad continuity

[00:28:18] but when you watch the film you get the sense that she is taking days to explain her motivation

[00:28:24] yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean it's it's confusing though when they start introducing

[00:28:30] this viral at aspect this kind of disease because I don't even know how it's being transmitted

[00:28:37] it's like a common flu that people are just giving to each other it's never really explained

[00:28:44] and it's it's secondary to the dinosaurs attacking people because I'm just seem assuming it came

[00:28:50] from one of the chicken eggs right well first I'll say they definitely don't confirm

[00:28:55] uh yeah they barely even confirm how the dinonic has got out I mean I know we technically know

[00:29:02] but but anyway uh yeah they don't tell us how it gets transmitted yeah I don't even think they

[00:29:06] properly establish that people in town are getting sick it was only on my second watch that I was

[00:29:12] like oh yeah that that background actor is coughing a lot or oh yeah that character with one line

[00:29:16] the diner looks really sweaty and haggard yeah but watching the first time it wasn't until

[00:29:21] the halfway point of the movie that I was like wait people are getting sick yeah I mean there's

[00:29:27] the sheriff's wife she sees that she's getting sick and her kids being sick and does that mean

[00:29:34] that like the daughters are gonna give birth to a dinonic as well like I just that's like insane

[00:29:41] but there is also one part of the movie with this sort of text coming up yes we have this green

[00:29:48] the text that comes up but it appears at the very start of the movie and you don't know what

[00:29:54] it even means and just halfway through when you realize oh it sees how much of the population has been

[00:30:02] infected with the virus but you don't know that until halfway but it's always said it

[00:30:09] so I had no idea what this text meant until halfway through yeah I wrote the same thing down

[00:30:15] that was my second note they start the first several scenes with this big giant paragraph of the

[00:30:19] on-green text which is hard to read it's standard death and it's only on-screen for a couple of

[00:30:24] seconds I was never able to finish a block of course it's gone yeah and it's and it's talking

[00:30:31] about infected cells per million but yeah it's like I wonder if they didn't add that

[00:30:37] post because they're like people aren't gonna know that everyone's getting sick and it's like the

[00:30:42] text did not help establish that yeah I mean initially I thought is this how many dinosaurs are in

[00:30:49] this area of population like that that that many infected eggs or something I had no idea what

[00:30:56] it means it was very very confusing but yes so you have all these woman giving birth to dinosaurs

[00:31:03] yeah that just go around killing everyone and then to combat that there is some

[00:31:10] dialogue of them trying to create a male and I had no idea what that meant they were trying to

[00:31:17] create a male dinosaur to stop this from happening I don't I was confused I'll be 100% as

[00:31:23] I did not catch any such line yeah okay alright yeah because other than that I guess they go around

[00:31:31] killing everyone so you've got all these guys and hazmat suits just gunning everyone down yeah so

[00:31:38] the government eventually gets wise to this virus that Diane lad is unleashing and they

[00:31:44] quarantined the town put a broad blocks and then dudes in hazmat suits with machine guns just

[00:31:49] start killing everybody everyone tries to leave the town it's brutal yeah like these are these are

[00:31:55] women yeah they walk into the clinic or whatever it was and just shoot everyone yeah I think there's

[00:32:03] a way to do it right where like the first act the threat is this dinanicus running around and

[00:32:09] the second act is oh no there's these genetic experiments are threatened to destroy the world and

[00:32:14] then at the third act it's the government that comes the antagonist it's the government guys are

[00:32:20] to like look wait we with love doctor chip trees brilliant mind and like she's created dinosaur

[00:32:26] is in it's fascinating but she's gone too far here yeah and we need to stop her yeah I mean

[00:32:32] did seem like a very 90s theme of the environment you know like how we need to stop all these

[00:32:41] people cutting down rain forests like it did seem like a very 90s popper yeah

[00:32:46] theme to have you have like the character of that we haven't mentioned yet thrush very unfortunate

[00:32:53] name who is kind of the love interest with doc so she's an activist that he finds because he's

[00:33:01] a night watchman for this mine I'm not even sure why what he's a night watchman for I've heard

[00:33:07] it referred to as just a rock quarry right okay yeah so you have all these activists protesting

[00:33:12] the construction excavation I'm not sure and thrush is one of them she's one of the activists

[00:33:19] it was very common in the 90s to have this theme you know I think you have like Captain

[00:33:23] Planet and Finn Gully and even movies like like free willy and ocean girl it was very 90s thing

[00:33:32] but they're in very bleak ending at the end where they yeah they kill everyone and the the

[00:33:42] doc escaping the T-Rex or taking it down with the the bobcats and they they escape with this

[00:33:50] what do they call it the raw viral serum yeah I don't know what they're doing with because he

[00:33:59] injects thrush at one point because she has been infected but I'm pretty sure you can't just inject

[00:34:05] someone with yeah raw viral serum expect everything to be a okay it's very much a

[00:34:12] maguffins serum yeah but it ostensibly it cures the illness and he he carries enough of it out

[00:34:18] of the laboratory to try and mass produce and save the world but it doesn't go like that

[00:34:23] because he after they've killed the T-Rex and and thrush is cured he's just sitting around waiting

[00:34:30] for the government to come in and rescue them the people who show up or these guys and has met

[00:34:35] and they just without I don't think there's a single word exchange between them they just

[00:34:39] open fire yeah and they they kill him and thrush and then they torch it yeah flamb thrower everything

[00:34:46] yeah and then crit it's roll yeah and it's devastating but it's almost like what was a poet

[00:34:54] and this movie like yeah I think it was a conscious inversion of the typical sci-fi movie monster

[00:35:04] like in the 50s would have saved the world and I think there were just like let's do something

[00:35:09] different let's invert that yeah and they and they said it doesn't matter it ends and I'm like

[00:35:14] there's there's very much a feeling of like that's it exactly exactly so you don't have the

[00:35:21] triumphant happy ending it's just bleak like human suck and we will continue to literally

[00:35:31] kill each other no matter what and I don't know like what is the intake away from this movie like

[00:35:39] I think it points the blame very squarely on corporations first of all because there's there's

[00:35:51] that all that causes and not just pollution but I was shocked for a film that came out in 1993

[00:35:57] how much they were talking about GMOs yes I know nobody had the term GMO but one of the first

[00:36:04] scenes is this government guy who's trying to convince a senator to allow this company to release

[00:36:11] this genetically modified organism onto the market and you hear him on the phone talking

[00:36:16] to the senator being like look if cows are fine and turnip's are fine what's wrong with

[00:36:22] releasing a creature that's a little bit cow and a little bit turnip right yeah I mean because of

[00:36:30] was it was a huge issue in the early I guess the late 90s early 2000s of GMO and genetically modified

[00:36:38] crops and everything there was a lot of concern and people deciding to eat organic or

[00:36:45] sprays like it that's not something we talk about anymore now it just seems to be accepted and

[00:36:51] don't care but back then it was a huge deal and like 1993 this is why it's way before it became

[00:36:58] a sort of more public people being concerned about produce and food yeah I was I was surprised

[00:37:04] how much emphasis there was on it and and not even they weren't even necessarily like criticizing

[00:37:09] the concept of GMOs but of greedy people and suits none caring about what they actually

[00:37:18] do to people yeah and there's this great scene one of the few inspired bits of filmmaking I think

[00:37:24] is one of the last scenes of the film is all the the government guys are sitting around a

[00:37:29] table and they're talking about the implications of this virus and they're like okay well it's

[00:37:34] gonna kill all the women on earth and they're like okay that's bad but then they're like

[00:37:39] and they're like well you know we could start regoring people in artificial wounds like that's

[00:37:44] one way to repopulate the population and then they're like and you know what we could like

[00:37:48] tinker with their genes and like replace and they're like again very bad that all the women of

[00:37:54] the earth are going to die but we could replace them with even better women and they're going

[00:37:59] back and forth for some time and then they cut to a shot of this one woman sitting at the table

[00:38:06] with them yeah and she's just you guys gotta look it up on YouTube or something but the clip

[00:38:11] of her just like look it down at the table being like uh huh I think that is the same that I'm

[00:38:20] talking about in terms of I was being confused about them having a solution of having a male

[00:38:25] I think that's what they were talking about I thought they were talking about dinosaurs like getting

[00:38:30] a male dinosaur I didn't realize they were trying to repopulate the earth with males in an

[00:38:37] out of which okay that all makes it now yeah so confused by that scene and they do not do a

[00:38:43] good job of like even that scene with her talking as if the virus infecting half the world is a

[00:38:49] foregone conclusion but like the town is still in the quarantine at that point there's still

[00:38:53] ending guys into torch everything yeah so it's like well which is it are you giving up or are you

[00:38:58] trying to kill everybody also like there are scenes multiple scenes of men also getting sick

[00:39:05] yeah I know just that too and so it's like well is it killing everyone or is it killing women

[00:39:10] like the movie give us conflicting information there yeah yeah and and also just how was

[00:39:16] transmitted as well well like did like a few are in contact with a dinosaur which you get the disease

[00:39:22] yeah no explanation how it's exclusively people with a people like you know yeah

[00:39:29] particles like I just yeah I was very confused by that yeah now it's time for random trivia

[00:39:38] all right it's trivia time, sage what do you have covered in chicken feathers for us today

[00:39:45] so I have this interview with the guy who built the puppets oh yes let me get his name right here

[00:39:53] so the creature effects special makeup creature effects was a john I have no clue how to pronounce

[00:39:59] his last name john look bachelor boochler and so there's he he gave this interview in this book

[00:40:06] that I have called the dinosaur filmography and he talks about the constraints of building the

[00:40:13] electronics it being a recognized will huge task going in the the puppets get a lot of

[00:40:20] black from all the reviews yeah they always compare to Jurassic Park and they're like well he's

[00:40:25] suck but I found this interview which I thought contextualized the challenges really well

[00:40:29] and he says about seven of the ten weeks allocated for dino making was spent on the miniature

[00:40:35] two wrecks leaving only three weeks to construct the life size 16 foot tall model wow she eats

[00:40:41] a high-strength lightweight polyurethane called L200 were cut shaped and glued together

[00:40:46] to form the under structure which was then covered with your a thin foam skin a scaly texture

[00:40:52] was added by manually searing the pattern into the foam with a hot tool due to the lightweight

[00:40:56] the movements of the huge wrecks could be produced by simple pneumatic actuators and then he says

[00:41:01] if we create the full size creature with standard procedures and sculpted and molded and cast it

[00:41:06] would wait close to two and a half tons the final creature that I delivered weighed 450 pounds

[00:41:12] wow that's incredible which is that was really cool that they had to focus on making it

[00:41:16] super lightweight not only so that it would be cheaper but so that it would be easier to operate

[00:41:22] yeah yeah for sure well I mean it's huge that is huge 16 feet yeah it's a shame that

[00:41:29] I'm trying to think of shots of its standing next to something that demonstrate how tall it was

[00:41:35] and I basically come up with that little mini tractor or the little the little mini bulldozer

[00:41:40] is like yeah the only thing you see it standing next to right yeah yeah that's great

[00:41:46] and that's not true be it

[00:41:52] should we talk about this a dinosaur is a little bit more yeah there was only two uh there's a

[00:41:57] dinonicus and there's a T-rex yes the T-rex way makes one brief appearance towards the beginning of

[00:42:03] film when one of the workers of the genetics laboratory is fed to it yeah the strange

[00:42:09] laser room where there's like strobing lighting that I'm not sure with the strobing lighting

[00:42:17] is doing anything but there's also these laser lights that he can't touch because

[00:42:22] the chopper's hand and half yep but yeah I wasn't sure about the the size of the dinosaur

[00:42:28] like I didn't even know the T-rex at that point because it just didn't look that big

[00:42:33] the new sword in it's quite huge yeah at the same time it seems to change its size

[00:42:40] like seems to seem yeah and I'm sure it's just because they were working with different puppets

[00:42:45] and using like puppets versus animatronics yeah and um I read in the interviews that they plan

[00:42:52] a lot of like forced perspective shots that wound up not getting shot I was reading an interview

[00:42:58] with the guy who did the effects and he was talking about how they weren't on set whenever

[00:43:04] something was being shot that didn't have a dinosaur in it and that's a problem because in

[00:43:09] order to mesh shots with dinosaurs in them with shots that don't have dinosaurs in them

[00:43:14] yeah the visual effects department needs to be talking to the cinematographer

[00:43:18] and the director and they did not do that apparently right right yeah so yeah the dinosaurs are

[00:43:24] presented pretty piecemeal like they look different from shot the shot and they look very different

[00:43:30] from scene to scene mm yeah I did there were definitely a lot of scenes where you show dinosaur

[00:43:36] in your new show actors and they just don't seem to be an even in the same location yeah so

[00:43:43] yeah there is a lot of sort of disconnect with the editing and and also just being very dark yeah

[00:43:50] even that final scene with the the bobcats and the the T-Rex like it's you really can't tell

[00:43:56] what's going on yeah you know I this was my second watch of it this the other day and I'm

[00:44:02] watching that final fight between uh you've been using the term bobcat which I would just like

[00:44:08] to clarify for American listeners it's like a little tiny bulldozer it's not like the mammal bob.

[00:44:14] yeah yeah yeah yeah.

[00:44:16] These dark jumps into with this little tiny bulldozer and he's like he's just sort of like

[00:44:21] ramming the T-Rex with it anyway I'm watching the scene and it wasn't until the scene ended

[00:44:27] that I sort of snap out of this reverie and I was like oh I zoned out I was not watching that scene

[00:44:34] yeah yeah it's just kind of just like shot of the Rex roaring and shot of the guy at the controls

[00:44:40] and like I've read interviews where they're like oh yeah we just totally ripped off aliens it

[00:44:46] was a shot for shot remake of the power loader scene and I was like that might have been your inspiration

[00:44:52] but you did not pull it off. Yeah yeah I mean it definitely reminded me of of aliens but yeah

[00:44:58] not quite as riveting with regard to the dinosaurs like changing sizes between scenes

[00:45:04] I think the movie was cut was aware on some level that that had to be addressed

[00:45:12] and there's one scene that I appreciated that through it in there there is this town doctor

[00:45:16] who's doing autopsies on all the victims and he's pointing out he's like pointing at one body

[00:45:23] then he points at the other body he's like this is the same kind of injury but the one over here

[00:45:29] is twice the size and so they're like it's either multiple animals doing this or it's getting

[00:45:36] bigger really fast and I appreciated that line yeah yeah I mean there I like that sort of science

[00:45:44] fiction element of like how could the Santa will grow so quickly and yeah yeah I'm willing to

[00:45:51] suspend my disbelief it's like it's a genetic experiment sure why can't it achieve full size

[00:45:55] and 48 hours that would even that would even explain why it's eating like 30 people

[00:46:00] in two days but when it's unclear to the audience that there are different

[00:46:05] two different species at work it's kind of a problem yeah yeah yeah exactly I was confused by

[00:46:15] so you've got doctor tip tree working for a chicken farm making genetically modified

[00:46:22] chickens but she's actually making dinosaurs because there's a scene at the very very star

[00:46:29] which is a pretty horrifying as well you've got a chicken farm footage I'm assuming like

[00:46:36] battery farms and you see these chickens getting not exactly killed but on a production line

[00:46:43] and black a white but you have all this text coming up with like animals different animals so

[00:46:50] say yeah vulture iguana albatross crocodile and I thought as she combining all of these animals

[00:47:00] it's been to some meager animal how is she actually making a dinosaur like there's no

[00:47:05] yeah mention of dinosaur DNA like and dress pack with the mosquitoes like how she creating dinosaurs

[00:47:12] from normal animals you have now asked more questions about how she made dinosaurs

[00:47:19] than the film did then the filmmakers did yeah because yeah the film does not give us an

[00:47:25] explanation she's just like oh she's a mad scientist since she made dinosaurs yeah where is the

[00:47:29] book actually goes into pretty lengthy detail all right so what the book says is that first they

[00:47:36] figured out the the genetic blueprint for a dinosaur through like finding little bits of pieces

[00:47:41] of dinosaur DNA inside of especially well preserved fossils right then what they did was they they

[00:47:47] worked from that blueprint and they took modern chicken DNA and just sort of altered the genomes

[00:47:53] until it looked like their blueprint and then they grow it in an artificial womb and then

[00:47:58] outpops the dinosaur right which is it's interestingly I'm not going to say it's plausible but

[00:48:05] it's the kind of explanation that works in a sci-fi novel yeah where is the movie just like had

[00:48:10] no interest and that was kind of disappointing for me yeah it was it was but it was also interesting

[00:48:16] that they they did go down the the avian route of dinosaurs yeah because I feel like in the 90s

[00:48:24] everyone just thought dinosaurs were reptiles lizards they they had no one connected birds to dinosaur

[00:48:30] they had any point in the 90s so I'm gonna go out of digression yes so when dinosaurs when

[00:48:39] the first theropods like maglasaurus when they were first dug up out of the ground and professional

[00:48:46] biologists took a look at them they said these are birds right all the best in atomists of the time

[00:48:52] they were like these don't look like lizard bones these look like bird bones and it wasn't until

[00:48:58] they started discovering the soar pods the long necks that had these giant massive bulks and of

[00:49:04] course soar pods are not descended from birds hmm so people were like well these don't look like

[00:49:11] birds and it's like well yeah there are different lineage but but nevertheless they were like

[00:49:15] these look like big giant lizards that couldn't probably couldn't even support the whole

[00:49:19] weight on land and so then the image started to change to like dumb slow reptiles right and then

[00:49:26] it was in the sixties and seventies there were new discoveries like they discovered dinonicus

[00:49:33] in the sixties and then paleontologist by the name of Robert Bakker comes out with a book called

[00:49:38] the dinosaur herises and he's like no our first instinct was right these are birds and they

[00:49:45] probably behaved a lot like birds they were probably quick moving and warm blooded the book

[00:49:51] carna saw was written in eighty four and it's parading all this stuff talking about how

[00:49:55] no other birds they're not lizards so it had been around it had been solid within the scientific

[00:50:01] community since like since like the seventies and eighties yeah and i think what happened was Jurassic

[00:50:06] Park finally punched through public consciousness and popularized it yeah right and made it

[00:50:13] lizards my impression is a Jurassic Park popularized the idea that dinosaurs are more related to birds and lizards

[00:50:19] oh really okay yeah that's Alan grants whole thing right he's like check out all of these

[00:50:24] anatomical features and a raptor that they share with birds hmm yeah yeah yeah sure okay

[00:50:29] because i feel like Jurassic Park just solidified to hide the just reptiles again because like

[00:50:35] none of the dinosaurs and Jurassic Park have feathers where it's like what i was looking at

[00:50:41] dinosaurs or like impressions of dinosaurs now our illustrations always put feathers now

[00:50:47] whereas back in the nineties it was all scales and very reptilian that's true my understanding there

[00:50:54] is that they didn't have well preserved fossil or they didn't have well preserved feather remains at

[00:50:59] that point yeah but they've made a lot of discovery since Jurassic Park which indicated almost all

[00:51:05] the repods probably had some form of filament yeah yeah right like i don't think they had like feather

[00:51:11] T-Rex fossils back when Jurassic Park came out yeah so the the T-Rex actually have feathers dear

[00:51:19] so well last i checked on this they think that juveniles might have had some sort of

[00:51:25] filamentation primitive feathers yeah and that they were likely shed by the time they became an adult

[00:51:31] right but others species did have feathers as adults i mean i mean almost all raptors

[00:51:36] we've got good feather remains of those yeah wow i guess i'm just comparing my childhood

[00:51:44] knowledge of dinosaurs which was yeah very limited in the nineties as well um i i remember the

[00:51:51] only fear the dinosaur was the acuptrix and yeah there was links to other dinosaurs kind of

[00:51:59] being feathers but yeah i was still always portrayed without feathers i never i never saw illustrations

[00:52:05] with dinosaurs with feathers so i guess when i say that Jurassic Park cements the connection

[00:52:11] between dinosaurs and birds in the public consciousness i think i just mean that people started to

[00:52:15] think of dinosaurs as the ancestors of birds uh oh yes right right right right right where is before

[00:52:22] they didn't think of any evolutionary connection between uh right

[00:52:30] prestigious mobly awards hello it's everyone's favorite part of the part of the

[00:52:38] mobly awards where we nominate our favorite dinosaur claw skewed parts of the film in a number

[00:52:44] of oh my god i'm giving birth to a dinonic as categories that's cool so my favorite quote is uh

[00:52:53] when doc burst into the lab and he's got doctor tip tree at cum point yeah and he sees the stack of eggs

[00:52:59] and he goes where did these come from she goes i made them and then he says my favorite line of

[00:53:04] the film he goes you made them what did you lay them yourself? yeah it's correct this should

[00:53:14] also not go unstated but Diane lad is Lorder and mother yeah i know i know uh and also

[00:53:22] Clint Howard isn't this and his niece brisdale salad is in dress mode so yep yeah a lot of a

[00:53:30] connections to dress up yeah franchise do i actually quite a few funny lines in this movie

[00:53:38] this one uh near the start doc is watching some sort of movie about labotomy or something

[00:53:46] i'm not sure it looks like a horror movie or something and he says while holding a bottle of

[00:54:00] costume when all the environmentalist chandemselves of the bulldozer there's like this lead hippie

[00:54:07] with like a long gray ponytail yeah that scene wasn't very well so it might not have actually been

[00:54:13] a long ponytail right whatever his hair was conveyed lead hippie very well yeah yeah i'd

[00:54:23] find a lot of hair and costume to be that not really in this movie yeah felt very

[00:54:30] drab and white sort of not a lot of thought involved with nothing of the hair and costume

[00:54:37] yeah it felt almost like they didn't have a hair and makeup department yeah yeah they just

[00:54:42] showed the actors to show it up it's like there's it's fine yeah clothes good yeah most 90s movement

[00:54:50] what i came up with was like the weaponization of dyno menia in order to pre-sell the film just

[00:54:57] like yeah just like the concept that dinosaurs were about to go supersonic in the summer of 93

[00:55:04] and Roger Corman made a whole film to capitalize on that mm-hmm i felt like it was very late 80s

[00:55:13] early 90s dyno mania like everything i'm just thinking of just like cartoon wise

[00:55:19] like growing up the me loving dinosaurs i was just in heaven there's like so many

[00:55:27] dinosaur tv shows yeah um like even transformers had dyno bots yep and we've got a

[00:55:35] lemma full time you got body it's a purple dinosaur you've got a denvered last dinosaur

[00:55:42] extreme dinosaurs we're back at dinosaur story dyno riders that really strange

[00:55:49] gem hints and showed dinosaurs with like sort of oh yeah the sitcom like nuclear family

[00:55:58] by the world dinosaurs talking so it was yeah it was just 90s were mad for dinosaurs yeah

[00:56:07] favorite scene so i know we've been mocking this scene from most of this podcast but it's

[00:56:13] probably when doc interrogates doctor tip tree in her lab oh helly we'll be cut okay all right let me

[00:56:21] revise that it's not that it's my favorite scene but some of my favorite little details are in there

[00:56:27] yeah like uh like i just love that he has a gun on her so ostensibly she is explaining her plan

[00:56:34] and her motivations because he's got a gun pointed at her but her tone and the way that she delivers

[00:56:40] it's almost as if she's been dying to tell people yeah what she's been up to and she's like so

[00:56:46] excited to be like i have created a virus to kill all humans and replace them with dinosaurs um

[00:56:52] i'm so glad you asked yes yes she has such a dry self-serious delivery like she has a line in

[00:57:01] that scene where she's like mankind when was man ever kind and then doc played by Raphael

[00:57:09] Sparge he's so sardonic and sarcastic at his replies i just like i like the energy that they

[00:57:18] have bouncing between them in that scene yeah uh my favorite scene i really liked the showdown

[00:57:24] between sheriff phala and the diononicus like oh yeah it's like a different movie because physical

[00:57:31] the location doesn't look small town what's we ever looks like you're in the middle of New York

[00:57:37] you've got the phone booth and like a very blue lit urban city scape essentially uh street

[00:57:45] and yeah here you have the showdown with the dinosaur with a shotgun he does manage to shoot the

[00:57:52] dinosaur and it's down and you think oh wow this is amazing he's taking down a dinosaur but then

[00:57:59] the dinosaur like skewers him from behind with its some philosopher raptor claw

[00:58:05] and then yeah the sheriff shoots him again and it's like i wanted more of that in the movie i

[00:58:11] wanted more scenes like that we got to see the dinosaur for one thing and it's a lot of gore it's

[00:58:17] really gruesome it's it's proper horror movie yeah most cliche movement so for most cliched sci-fi

[00:58:24] horror moment i was gonna say that the bulldozer sequence is a rip off of aliens but i'm gonna say

[00:58:32] goes further back than that because there is a film from 1960 called dinosaurus right with these very

[00:58:40] cheap it's a t-rex and an appadosaur get thought out of some ice and they go wild on this like

[00:58:47] Caribbean island okay and that movie ends with them killing the t-rex with the bulldozer oh wow

[00:58:54] so they say they were ripping off aliens and i'm like don't flatter yourself you were ripping off

[00:58:59] you were you were ripping up something that was equally low budget yeah right from about 25 years

[00:59:06] earlier than aliens okay uh but the cliche i wanted to put out is i didn't why it just always

[00:59:14] happens in movies where they find a completely mangled corpse beyond recognition and they always say

[00:59:23] oh it looks like it was attacked by wild animal maybe a bobcat like what why would you ever go

[00:59:29] it's like it's no way bobcat's a tiny yeah and they mentioned bobcats as like they're working

[00:59:36] theory like three times i don't like a bob what like not a bear not a cougar that was

[00:59:43] bear cougar wolf would still be bad guesses but yeah did be better than a bobcat yeah best special

[00:59:51] so i didn't want to say the dinosaurs because that's where all the money and effort went i think

[00:59:57] honestly the special effect that worked the best of her may is when the sheriff is in his kitchen

[01:00:03] making an omelet and he cracks an egg it just shoots out this green goo yeah yeah and i know

[01:00:10] it's just food coloring but it got me i was like oh man there's something wrong with that egg

[01:00:16] yeah and then he cracks another one and the little dinosaur hatchling is inside and it's

[01:00:21] tiny and it's moving like it's an animatronic right yeah it's tiny but it's like articulated

[01:00:26] and it's and it's it's wriggling around on in his palm hmm yeah i thought that was really well done

[01:00:31] yeah i mean special effects for me i mean the stomach best exceeders it's a rip off obviously of

[01:00:38] it like it worked pretty well it looked disgusting and horrifying like it's yeah yeah

[01:00:46] especially when she like helped widen the wound it's a facilitate yeah so do you fact my

[01:00:54] favorite sound effect is the dinonicus has two distinct vocalizations yeah that the first one is

[01:01:02] like some very generic bird of prey screech yeah yeah it very clearly comes from a library it is not

[01:01:08] the red tailed hawk screech no it's done but it's like the second most popular bird of prey

[01:01:15] and then the other the other vocalization it makes is when it's like eating someone it's

[01:01:21] some fully artist it's like they put their palm up to their mouth in front of the microphone

[01:01:26] and they're just like yeah yeah i mean i like into the cookie monster like it really felt like

[01:01:34] we just eat in cookies now yeah but yeah yeah i did i found the dinosaur sounds very uh

[01:01:42] lackluster and very disappointing i think at one point they do put it like an electronic sort of

[01:01:48] chorus effect on the growls but it makes it sound like an alien also it doesn't sound like a

[01:01:54] animal anymore it sounds too like synthetic i don't know most probably it's the shot that made

[01:02:01] how is when the sheriff dies yeah he's standing over the dinonicus and it kicks upward and it

[01:02:10] lands right in the seat of his pants that's right then yeah and then they pull back and they show

[01:02:16] the sickle claw emerging from his stomach curving up towards his face and i'm like okay so

[01:02:24] that claw would have to be about three feet long and in the shape of an s yeah yeah in order to enter

[01:02:32] that way and exit that way yes that's right yeah i'm gonna just it kills me every time i see it

[01:02:39] yeah my my favorite funny's moment was this masterpiece of die book uh between dog and in thresh

[01:02:47] she says uh i wanted to give you this and he replies what is it she says it represents the earth

[01:02:55] and friendship he replies it looks like a knot she says it is a knot he thinks it's i don't even

[01:03:03] really know your name and then she replies with thrush it's like wow who wrote this

[01:03:11] Adam Simon that's crazy it's like the worst dialogue writing of ever ever what does on screen

[01:03:18] it's terrible yeah all right and that's how move you works

[01:03:25] i this is some what are doing you're in your uh listening to movie obliot

[01:03:34] okay final verdict time should canot saw from 1993 be unleashed into the world in all its

[01:03:40] serian glory to stomp ran and be celebrated or should it be shot with share of fallers shotgun

[01:03:47] and be pushed back into the obliot by a bobcat but those are lost forever

[01:03:53] such you have introduced me to can't understand what's your final verdict on the movie

[01:03:59] okay my final verdict is i think it should be released oh with a couple of caveats uh it's

[01:04:07] i think 90% of the human beings on planet earth will get nothing from this movie but i think the

[01:04:14] other 10% i think this is a good movie to recommend to the right audience for the people who know

[01:04:21] limitations of the production going in who know that the script is like it's like classically

[01:04:28] not good there's a lot of problems with the script it needs to be tightened up a lot of things

[01:04:33] needed to be clarified but i think it's doing enough interesting things enough new things and

[01:04:40] a bold things and enough things that at the very least you've never seen and then the other dinosaur

[01:04:45] film right if and the key ingredient is that they knew they weren't making a masterpiece

[01:04:51] and so the lead actors they know they're not making Shakespeare yeah um i think the main character

[01:04:57] doc played by Rafael Sparge who went on to have a really long and and lustrous career in voice

[01:05:04] overwork the most famous role that i know him from he voiced carth on nassie in

[01:05:09] nights of the old republic uh right and as soon as i dialed into what his voice sounded like in

[01:05:14] that i was like oh i actually recognized him from a lot of things i think he knew exactly what he was

[01:05:19] doing he think he's got the right touch of like wit and sarcasm and uh just being this like

[01:05:27] cynical dork who doesn't care about anything or at least projects that he doesn't care about anything

[01:05:32] anyway i'm getting far away from the film now but i think it can be recommended to the right audience

[01:05:38] with the understanding that it had some interesting things going on that nobody else had the

[01:05:44] guts to ever attempt yeah right well i mean i will say it does things yeah i've never seen on screen

[01:05:53] before it's it was very brave to go in the direction i did halfway through uh to this viral

[01:06:01] outbreak uh maybe no what i expected but i don't know i i do think it's very yeah it's very

[01:06:09] unclear with this plot and and how things are happening the horror gore scenes are very disappointing

[01:06:17] apart from that one with with the sheriff i kind of wanted the sheriff to be the main character i

[01:06:24] was rooting for him more so than dark yeah like i didn't feel like dark really did that much

[01:06:31] i don't know like he i mean i of course he did confront tip tree and get the serum

[01:06:38] yeah the ending is so bleak and yeah almost like what what what what happened

[01:06:46] very abrupt and i don't know whether i would recommend this movie and i like dinosaur but

[01:06:52] i do appreciate that they did a dyno horror which is pretty amazing it doesn't really exist

[01:06:59] yeah outside of this like i would love to see a full blown terrifying dinosaur horror and it does

[01:07:08] try but i don't think it delivers quite yeah and else else it is not classically good it is not

[01:07:17] good yeah and and when i when i watch it half the joy for me is thinking about how i would take

[01:07:25] the the ideas that they have that were going and flesh them out and beef them up and essentially

[01:07:30] remake the film in my head that is a big source of the pleasure for me yeah yeah i think what

[01:07:37] what just like completely derails me with the film is if you made it a different creature like

[01:07:43] not a dinosaur i think it would work better as as a movie as this sort of weird viral outbreak

[01:07:51] movie where a creature's birth and then i guess that's alien really but just the whole dinosaur

[01:08:00] aspect of it was just wasn't explained enough it was it was definitely trying to write on

[01:08:07] popularity of like hey Jurassic Park's about to come out let's cash in and he's in set dinosaurs

[01:08:15] and Corman was very explicit that that is precisely why the movie had greenlit yeah it's still

[01:08:22] great that they based it on an already existing novel yeah like it's not like yeah it is not a rip off

[01:08:29] yeah like and that was written before Jurassic Park as well right it was yep yeah came out in 84

[01:08:35] so if anything maybe Michael cried and was influenced by the novel dinosaur i don't know i

[01:08:44] don't know but yeah all right well i guess we should check it without patrons on what they thought

[01:08:52] about this hello hell yes done our patron vote please

[01:08:58] after all that voting we've ended with a tie so it's a ride on the nose 50 50 split

[01:09:05] with us uh then they're not sure so chaseless head uh i was torn on this one i think it should

[01:09:12] go free audiences need to see what sorry in cinema was like without Harry housing or ialem

[01:09:19] i'm guessing Corman was visiting universal studios and found the script for Jurassic Park

[01:09:24] left on the copy machine someone was obviously a big fan of aliens fighting the t-rex with bobcats

[01:09:31] instead of a mix suit i keep waiting for the cheese burst to see and i was not disappointed

[01:09:39] uh e-cultices the way i voted in the past is should have been no surprise that i think

[01:09:45] can't know saw should be free to lay its eggs all about the late John Carl buccler did such a great

[01:09:52] job with the dinosaur fix and those alone make the movie worth seeing and film of it the fish

[01:10:00] had said can't afford to open my eyes too so many new experiences in those scant 83 minutes that we

[01:10:07] spent together during that perfect winter of 1993 the first time i've watched a rubber puppet

[01:10:14] cow down on hippies the first time i saw a human woman give birth to a live dinosaur while i

[01:10:19] moved on and found other be movies i will always have a special place for you in my heart dear cano saw

[01:10:27] so yes it's gonna be a cointoss i'm coin of the coin all fair

[01:10:37] sage which is like the honest he's all tales uh let's go with heads oh it's tales unfortunately

[01:10:50] so cat is so i i'm afraid to say you are back into the upliet

[01:10:59] that's fair uh as the person who voted to release it i will say that dinosaurs do

[01:11:05] is i do think they deserve better films than this yeah i would throw my heart and soul into

[01:11:11] remaking this and will film that worked mm-hmm and perhaps my instinct here is just that releasing

[01:11:16] it from the upliet would make that more likely yes yes yes yes so now comes my second favorite

[01:11:22] point on every episode is what's the next movie gonna be well konrad actually recently bought

[01:11:27] a arrow video into the video store box it from Charles bands empire international pictures

[01:11:35] the movies consisted of the dungeon master dolds saladwala arena and robot jox so we put it

[01:11:44] out to our patrons we put a poll i got to vote in that poll yes yes uh to see which one you guys wanted

[01:11:51] us to do and that movie is robot jox which i it's one of those movies that it's like how did

[01:12:01] this not get more popular but i haven't seen it it's a 1990 american post apocalyptic

[01:12:07] meca sci-fi film directed by Stuart Gordon starring Gary Graham and Marie Johnson Paul Kauslow

[01:12:16] and robot samson yeah it sounds really cool like like wow i can't believe this existed in

[01:12:23] 1990 like i i'm very much looking forward to seeing this big i guess a big like battle movie

[01:12:32] i'm not sure yeah i i've only seen it once but it was it was um like since covid so like only

[01:12:38] within the last four years i was like as being such a big fan of pacific room people keep telling

[01:12:43] me i really had a watch robot jox yeah but that i feel like that's all i should say okay so i mean

[01:12:48] search thank you again for standing in for conrad while he's gallevanting in toronto at the

[01:12:57] at tiff we're probably watching better films than us yeah well i don't know i don't know

[01:13:02] i would be interested to hear what watch it's to say about catta saw but uh we can alistair's follow

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[01:13:41] the original trilogy it has a very hands-off isolationist approach to conservation we need to

[01:13:46] leave nature alone and then in this equal trilogy it's flipped and it's we gotta get in there

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